big surprise, motorcycle helmet laws save lives

And how do you porpose that we make sure that this is accomplished?
There have been 12 riders, who I had casually known, who have been killed this past year, by cage drivers who "didn't see them".
6 of those drivers were just given a ticket(s).

first, i am sorry to hear about your friends

second, educating judges and law enforcement and drivers, perhaps an ongoing educational program for drivers

third, your solution of passing laws, part of the problem is, of course, intent on the part of the driver - still something needs to be done

any other suggestions would be welcome
 
How is disease and sickness a whole different matter, Blabo?

Explain why the government should be able to compel the purchase of auto and motorcycle insurance but not the purchase of health coverage.

Holy fuck, you're an idiot. He explained it has to do with CHOICE!! People don't choose to get ill. They do choose to ride with or without a helmet
 
i do not see colors as well as i used to and thought that the color of your post was simply an affectation

it is not that we need tougher laws, but that the existing laws be enforced properly
That depends on the law. I just buried a friend yesterday. 52, and a deer literally hit him while he was on a ride.

He complied with the helmet law, by wearing a perfunctory skull cap.

He lay in a coma for 8 weeks, with major brain damage. His prognosis wasn't going to be good, even if he did live.

I'm thinking a broken neck would've offered him a normal life, and a lesson learned.
 
michigan has passed a revised helmet law where a person can ride without a helmet if they have $20,000 of medical coverage...the objection to riding without a helmet is the added cost to the state having to pay for the uninsured or under insured when they have an accident

perhaps this is better, let the fools that want to ride without a helmet pay...think of it as evolution in action
I wonder...what exactly will 20k get you in the hospital?
 
I wonder...what exactly will 20k get you in the hospital?

depends -
minor repairs covered
medium repairs maybe most
major repairs, a dent in the charges and 20K less that the hospital i.e., the taxpayers) has to eat

i carry 50k med pay coverage for both of my cars and my wife and i are covered by medicare - plus uninsured motorist 100k
 
should we allow the state to enforce any rule, regulation, or law that makes us safer from ourselves? should we allow them to remove our right to choose simply because some people choose wrongly?
Who gives a rats ass about some hypothetical philosophical argument. You'd have to be a complete moron to ride a motorcycle with out a helmet. Hell I won't even ride my bicycle with out one and doing so has saved me from serious head injuries on more than one occasion. You're hypothetical is asinine to the extreme. It's also a strawman. You have not lost a right by being required to wear a helmet when riding a motorcycle on a public road since riding a motorcycle on a public road is not a right to begin with. That's like arguing my rights have been abridged cause automobiles are required to have brakes.
 
Holy fuck, you're an idiot. He explained it has to do with CHOICE!! People don't choose to get ill. They do choose to ride with or without a helmet
What the fuck does choice have to do with anything? When you pay for the roads and their upkeep then you can make any choice you want.
 
Who gives a rats ass about some hypothetical philosophical argument. You'd have to be a complete moron to ride a motorcycle with out a helmet. Hell I won't even ride my bicycle with out one and doing so has saved me from serious head injuries on more than one occasion.
well fuck you for your bullshit psycho analysis that is about as useful as poison ivy is for toilet paper.

You're hypothetical is asinine to the extreme. It's also a strawman. You have not lost a right by being required to wear a helmet when riding a motorcycle on a public road since riding a motorcycle on a public road is not a right to begin with. That's like arguing my rights have been abridged cause automobiles are required to have brakes.
that's almost the worst analogy i've ever seen, and not lost a right? how about my right to choose? if you advocate for taking away the right to choose to wear a helmet, then you have ZERO cause to bitch about a woman having her right to choose being eliminated.
 
first, i am sorry to hear about your friends

second, educating judges and law enforcement and drivers, perhaps an ongoing educational program for drivers

third, your solution of passing laws, part of the problem is, of course, intent on the part of the driver - still something needs to be done

any other suggestions would be welcome

If someone wants to or doesn't want to wear a helmet should be a personal choice.
Have you ever tried to wear a helmet for around 4 hours, in 112 degree heat?
Since everyone wants to pass helmet laws, for the good of everyone; how about no one should get a drivers license for a 4 wheel vehicle, until they've driven a motorcycle for a year?

Wouldn't that help make people more aware and therefore be good for everyone?
 
That depends on the law. I just buried a friend yesterday. 52, and a deer literally hit him while he was on a ride.

He complied with the helmet law, by wearing a perfunctory skull cap.

He lay in a coma for 8 weeks, with major brain damage. His prognosis wasn't going to be good, even if he did live.

I'm thinking a broken neck would've offered him a normal life, and a lesson learned.

So being paralyzed would have offered him a "normal life"?
 
Who gives a rats ass about some hypothetical philosophical argument. You'd have to be a complete moron to ride a motorcycle with out a helmet. Hell I won't even ride my bicycle with out one and doing so has saved me from serious head injuries on more than one occasion. You're hypothetical is asinine to the extreme. It's also a strawman. You have not lost a right by being required to wear a helmet when riding a motorcycle on a public road since riding a motorcycle on a public road is not a right to begin with. That's like arguing my rights have been abridged cause automobiles are required to have brakes.

Can we take a vote on your assertion that wearing a helmet "has saved me from serious head injuries"?
 
You have not lost a right by being required to wear a helmet when riding a motorcycle on a public road since riding a motorcycle on a public road is not a right to begin with. That's like arguing my rights have been abridged cause automobiles are required to have brakes.

and I call bullshit, AGAIN, on your idiotic and moronic driving 'privilege'.

"The right of the citizen to travel upon the public highways and to transport his property thereon, either by carriage or by automobile, is not a mere privilege which a city may prohibit or permit at will, but a common right which he has under the right to life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness."- Thompson v Smith, 154 SE 579

"Undoubtedly the right of locomotion, the right to remove from one place to another according to inclination, is an attribute of personal liberty, and the right, ordinarily, of free transit from or through the territory of any State is a right secured by the l4th Amendment and by other provisions of the Constitution." - Schactman v Dulles, 96 App D.C. 287, 293.

It is settled that the streets of a city belong to the people of a state and the use thereof is an inalienable right of every citizen of the state. Whyte v. City of Sacramento, 65 Cal. App. 534, 547, 224 Pac. 1008, 1013 (1924); Escobedo v. State Dept. of Motor Vehicles (1950), 222 Pac. 2d 1, 5, 35 Cal.2d 870 (1950).

This right of the people to the use of the public streets of a city is so well established and so universally recognized in this country, that it has become a part of the alphabet of fundamental rights of the citizen. Swift v. City of Topeka, 23 Pac. 1075,1076, 43 Kansas 671, 674.

"Complete freedom of the highways is so old and well established a blessing that we have forgotten the days of the Robber Barons and toll roads, and yet, under an act like this, arbitrarily administered, the highways may be completely monopolized, if, through lack of interest, the people submit, then they may look to see the most sacred of their liberties taken from them one by one, by more or less rapid encroachment." Robertson vs. Department of Public Works, 180 Wash 133,147.

Public ways, as applied to ways by land, are usually termed “highways” or “public roads,” are such ways as every citizen has a right to use. Kripp v. Curtis, 11 P. 879; 71 Cal. 62

Every citizen has an inalienable right to make use of the public highways of the state; every citizen has full freedom to travel from place to place in the enjoyment of life and liberty. People v Nothaus, 363 P.2d 180, 182 (Colo.-1961).

Americans' "freedom to travel throughout the United States has long been recognized as a basic right under the Constitution," according to multiple cases including Williams v Fears, 179 US 270, 274; 21 S Ct 128; 45 L Ed 186 (1900); Twining v New Jersey, 211 US 78, 97; 29 S Ct 14; 53 L Ed 97 (1908), as listed in the case of United States v Guest, 383 US 745; 86 S Ct 1170; 16 L Ed 2d 239 (1968), a case involving criminally prosecuting people for obstructing the right (obstruction is a federal crime pursuant to federal criminal law 18 USC 241).
 
Those who believe in eugenics should be subjected to eugenics. Evil people, evil ideas, every age. They have always been our weakest link.

But those who themselves try and remove themselves from the gene pool by their own stupit actions....

Do it yourself eugenics?
 
Real conservatives don't wear helmets or seat belts, they smoke 3 packs a day, gobble red meat at every meal, and guzzle a case of beer each night.

Get busy.
 
Holy fuck, you're an idiot. He explained it has to do with CHOICE!! People don't choose to get ill. They do choose to ride with or without a helmet

So people who overeat, refuse to exercise, smoke, drink, take drugs etc. and wind up ill had no choice?
 
Did I say that?

Are you saying that motorcycle neck injuries never result in paralysis?
No. I'm saying that I know a good handful of people who have cracked their helmets in an accident, and walked away with a few scrapes/bruises. Maybe even a broken bone or two.

I'm saying your chances of walking away from a bike accident if you wear a helmet are much better than if you don't....your silly assertion to neck injuries notwithstanding.

And despite your nonsense above, driving is a privilege in this country. Not everyone deserves to have a license, which gives you that privilege.
 
Let conservatives enjoy their "freedom" to do stupid things, as long as they don't employ "Socialistic" taxpayer-funded healthcare services when they're injured.
 
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