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Vitter, Rand Paul Propose Amendment To Pare Back Birthright Citizenship

Sen. David Vitter (R-LA) and freshman Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) have now teamed up -- and they're aiming very high. The two have proposed a constitutional amendment, to get rid of birthright citizenship for the children of illegal immigrants.

From their joint press release, their proposal will declare "a person born in the United States to illegal aliens does not automatically gain citizenship unless at least one parent is a legal citizen, legal immigrant, active member of the Armed Forces or a naturalized legal citizen."

I sought clarification from Vitter's office as to whether this would be a full-fledged amendment to the Constitution, or a lesser legislative route. It is indeed a proposed amendment to the Constitution.

Also from the press release:

"Citizenship is a privilege, and only those who respect our immigration laws should be allowed to enjoy its benefits," said Sen. Paul. "This legislation makes it necessary that everyone follow the rules, and goes through same process to become a U.S. citizen."

Vitter and Paul do not believe that the 14th Amendment confers birthright citizenship to the children of illegal aliens, either by its language or intent. This resolution makes clear that under the 14th Amendment a person born in the United States to illegal aliens does not automatically gain citizenship.
 
Ice Dancer said:
Vitter, Rand Paul Propose Amendment To Pare Back Birthright Citizenship

Sen. David Vitter (R-LA) and freshman Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) have now teamed up -- and they're aiming very high. The two have proposed a constitutional amendment, to get rid of birthright citizenship for the children of illegal immigrants.

From their joint press release, their proposal will declare "a person born in the United States to illegal aliens does not automatically gain citizenship unless at least one parent is a legal citizen, legal immigrant, active member of the Armed Forces or a naturalized legal citizen."

I sought clarification from Vitter's office as to whether this would be a full-fledged amendment to the Constitution, or a lesser legislative route. It is indeed a proposed amendment to the Constitution.

Also from the press release:

"Citizenship is a privilege, and only those who respect our immigration laws should be allowed to enjoy its benefits," said Sen. Paul. "This legislation makes it necessary that everyone follow the rules, and goes through same process to become a U.S. citizen."

Vitter and Paul do not believe that the 14th Amendment confers birthright citizenship to the children of illegal aliens, either by its language or intent. This resolution makes clear that under the 14th Amendment a person born in the United States to illegal aliens does not automatically gain citizenship.
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the odds of such an amendment becoming law is greater than your chance of going to heaven :)
 
Ice Dancer said:
Yes, Don, and of you ever getting layed, or being thought of, as even slightly interesting :loser:
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it is not 'don' he is my brother and my dead wife would have disagreed with you when she was alive - i am a widower now for five years :( thank you very much NOT -by the way my name is stephen
 
Ice Dancer said:
Vitter, Rand Paul Propose Amendment To Pare Back Birthright Citizenship

Sen. David Vitter (R-LA) and freshman Sen. Rand Paul (R-KY) have now teamed up -- and they're aiming very high. The two have proposed a constitutional amendment, to get rid of birthright citizenship for the children of illegal immigrants.

From their joint press release, their proposal will declare "a person born in the United States to illegal aliens does not automatically gain citizenship unless at least one parent is a legal citizen, legal immigrant, active member of the Armed Forces or a naturalized legal citizen."

I sought clarification from Vitter's office as to whether this would be a full-fledged amendment to the Constitution, or a lesser legislative route. It is indeed a proposed amendment to the Constitution.

Also from the press release:

"Citizenship is a privilege, and only those who respect our immigration laws should be allowed to enjoy its benefits," said Sen. Paul. "This legislation makes it necessary that everyone follow the rules, and goes through same process to become a U.S. citizen."

Vitter and Paul do not believe that the 14th Amendment confers birthright citizenship to the children of illegal aliens, either by its language or intent. This resolution makes clear that under the 14th Amendment a person born in the United States to illegal aliens does not automatically gain citizenship.
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This is a dangerous damned notion by Rand Paul. My citizenship is a birth right and not a privilege. If Mr. Paul can determine my citizenship is a privilege that can be given to me then it's also a privelege that can be taken away! That means if they can take away the birth right citizenship of the child of an illegal immegrant, because it's a privilege, then they can take way yours because it's a privilege too! Fuck that!!
 
Mott the Hoople said:
This is a dangerous damned notion by Rand Paul. My citizenship is a birth right and not a privilege. If Mr. Paul can determine my citizenship is a privilege that can be given to me then it's also a privelege that can be taken away! That means if they can take away the birth right citizenship of the child of an illegal immegrant, because it's a privilege, then they can take way yours because it's a privilege too! Fuck that!!
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He can't. However, just as the Amendment was passed that supposedly made it a "birthright", this one could pass to define who has that "birthright". It's silliness to claim that this is some terrible thing. An amendment to fix the unintended consequences of another amendment.
 
Damocles said:
He can't. However, just as the Amendment was passed that supposedly made it a "birthright", this one could pass to define who has that "birthright". It's silliness to claim that this is some terrible thing. An amendment to fix the unintended consequences of another amendment.
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I know "He" can't. I was using that as a metaphor for the government. I don't have an issue with a constitutional ammendment or a law to reform this immgration problem. Times have changed. My opposition is that the language that "citizensship is a privilege and not a birth right." Mr. Rand is quite wrong. I don't know about you but my citizenship is a birth right and not a privilege.
 
Damocles said:
He didn't run on a platform against illegal immigration?
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this amendment doesn't have to do with illegal immigration. This amendment has to do with changing a part of the constitution that he doesn't agree with, mainly that of those BORN on US soil can't be citizens unless at least one parent is here legally.
 
Damocles said:
He can't. However, just as the Amendment was passed that supposedly made it a "birthright", this one could pass to define who has that "birthright". It's silliness to claim that this is some terrible thing. An amendment to fix the unintended consequences of another amendment.
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The privilege being discussed is a right to citizenship or not- What is being said is that unless one parent has a right to that claim-there is no right to it's privileges.


But by all means let's parse the statement and split the hairs. :palm:
 
Ice Dancer said:
The privilege being discussed is a right to citizenship or not- What is being said is that unless one parent has a right to that claim-there is no right to it's privileges.


But by all means let's parse the statement and split the hairs. :palm:
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here's the problem with this belief. The 14th was produced because some of those recently freed blacks were not born here, but their offspring certainly were. It was set up to cover anyone born here or under the jurisdiction of the US. It's simple discrimination to want to change that now.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
here's the problem with this belief. The 14th was produced because some of those recently freed blacks were not born here, but their offspring certainly were. It was set up to cover anyone born here or under the jurisdiction of the US. It's simple discrimination to want to change that now.
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Not really. You apparently understand the intent, so you should understand it was not so illegal alien babies could become citizens.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
here's the problem with this belief. The 14th was produced because some of those recently freed blacks were not born here, but their offspring certainly were. It was set up to cover anyone born here or under the jurisdiction of the US. It's simple discrimination to want to change that now.
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Yes, to correct a wrong, we as a nation had perpetrated-fine. We as a nation have not perpetrated any wrong against illegals- The amendment is a correction for unintended consequences.
 
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