Black Conservatives and the Zimmerman Case

Are there any conservatives here who would care to debate the OP, and/or debate if African-Americans should react any differently than to close the door forever to the Republican Party?

Is there anyone who didn't expect that this would be the outcome of the Zimmerman trial .. or did you not believe that republicans would be the target?

Is there any conservative here capable of actually intellectually engaging in that conversation?

People tend to vote for their own sectional interests, as the black middle class expands then I expect more and more will vote for other parties than Democrats. It still surprises me that no matter how many times events like the Zimmerman trial are portrayed in fiction, I am thinking of something like Bonfire of the Vanities, self serving opportunists like Al Sharpton still get the time of day from the media when they should be run out of town.
 
Liar. And what? You thought I didn't worked at the leading hospital in the Texas Medical Center, in the most "cutting-edge" cardiopulmonary lab, in the country...one of six cardiopulmonary techs, under a world renown pulmonologist, who was head of Baylor College of Medicine, Pulmonary??????????????????????????????????????
I worked with Dr. Michael E. DeBakey, also. Ever heard of him? You don't know me. Stupid bitch. I have relatives who are household names, world-wide. Who knows you bitch?

Watch out, poet. Some malicious morons may try to use this to find personal info on you.
 
I don't think the Republicans are trying too hard to get black votes, I think they see that the future is with the Hispanic vote. They are already comprise 17% of the population and well on the way to over 20%.

Oh really?

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That's working out real well.
 
It's his way of rationalizing ignoring black voters by suggesting that Hispanics will save the all-white party from itself.

This is just my political observation as one individual. I'm not in politics and I definitely have no 'inside the beltway' knowledge.

When speaking about purely raw politics the name of the game is getting more votes than your opponent. I think the Republican Party has pretty much written off getting anything other than a tiny tiny slice of the black vote. I think their belief is our time spent trying to gather more votes has a better chance of success elsewhere.

Both party's are obviously fighting over the growing Hispanic vote. George W. got 40% I believe in '04. Mitt "Self Deport" Romney got his *ss kicked by Hispanics in '12. If you are a Republican in an all white state or an almost all white Congressional district you can get away without winning much of the Hispanic vote. For anyone else it is a must.

To me personally it's pretty clear Republicans aren't going to win black voters back overnight. It's going to take a lot of work. I think it needs to start at the grassroots level cultivating black candidates and leaders who get involved locally and start making changes there.
 
In 2004, George Bush won 40% of the Hispanic vote. If I was planning the Republican strategy I would be looking for a strong Hispanic candidate, if they can find a woman even better.

http://www.theguardian.com/world/2008/nov/20/republicans-hispanic-latino-election

In other words, exactly what I said.

Is It Too Late for the GOP to Save Itself with Latinos?

Since the 2012 election, there's a story we've heard over and over about Republicans and the Latino vote. After spending years bashing immigrants, the party got hammered among this increasingly vital demographic group this election cycle, whereupon the party's more pragmatic elements woke up and realized if they don't convince Latinos the GOP isn't hostile to them, they could make it impossible to win presidential elections. They've got one shot on immigration reform. Pass it, and they can stanch the bleeding. Kill it, and they lock in their dreadful performance among Latinos for generations.

This story is mostly true. But I'm beginning to wonder if it isn't already too late for the GOP to win Latinos over. It's going a little far to suggest that Latinos could become the equivalent of African Americans, giving 90 percent or more of their votes to Democrats in every election. But is it possible that so much damage has already been done that even if immigration reform passes, Republicans won't see any improvement in their standing among Latinos?

Since we're talking about what might happen in the future, this is all speculative, and it's a little ridiculous to predict that anything that happens now will hold for "generations." One generation, maybe, but nobody can say what the political landscape will look like in 30 or 40 years. But let's think about how this is likely to play out in the near term.

If immigration reform fails because of anti-immigrant sentiment from the GOP's right wing, that's obviously a disaster for them. But even if it passes, that might be only a marginally better outcome. The debate itself could be making things worse by giving the anti-reform forces a bigger platform to express their views, even if other elements of the party are trying to put on a friendlier face. And if a bill does pass, who's going to get the credit? Barack Obama, of course. It'll be trumpeted in the media as the major legislative accomplishment of his second term (either the first, or the only, depending on how the next few years go), and much of the story will be about him for no reason other than that he's the president and that's how these things work; the president is the protagonist of most of the stories told about what happens in Washington, whether he deserves to be or not.

Furthermore, the legislation will almost certainly pass with the votes of almost every Democrat in both houses of Congress, and over the opposition of most Republicans. It doesn't need many Republican votes, and for every Republican officeholder who wants to see it pass, there are probably two or three who feel enough pressure from the party's right wing that they'll end up voting against it, if for no other reason than to forestall a primary challenge— the primary thing every Republican member of Congress fears these days.

So how is this debate going to look to the public as the vote approaches? On one side you'll have Obama and the Democrats, along with a few Republicans; on the other side you'll have a whole lot of Republicans, some of whom will no doubt continue to say offensive things about immigrants. For good measure, many people will assume, whether it's true or not, that the Democrats are sincere in their support of immigration reform, while the Republicans who join them are doing it just to save their political skins. When it's over, Obama will declare victory, and everyone will know that it happened because the intransigent Republicans were defeated. Some conservative Republicans running in primaries around the country will still see immigrant-bashing as a potentially fruitful campaign tactic, giving voters the occasional helpful reminder about where much of the party stands. And in the next election (and the one after that, and the one after that), the default assumption among Latino voters will continue to be that your average Republican despises and distrusts them. That isn't to say that any individual Republican candidate can't overcome that assumption and win the votes of significant numbers of Latinos, but it will be a very difficult thing to do, and most will fail when they try.

So at this point, it certainly looks like the two potential outcomes are that conservative Republicans succeed in killing immigration reform, which is disastrous for the GOP, or it passes, which is only a little bit better. If they're going to change their image among Latino voters, it's going to have to be a long-term project.
http://prospect.org/article/it-too-late-gop-save-itself-latinos

California Republicans turn to immigration to fight extinction

MODESTO, Calif. — Republicans in Washington are taking a piecemeal approach to immigration reform — a strategy that could give the party’s most polarizing figures a months-long platform to pop off about illegal immigrants.
California Republicans have a much different line: Shut up and get it done

The divide boils down to simple math for California Republicans, who know they can’t win elections here for long without the support of Hispanic voters.

Eleven of the 15 districts held by Republicans are a quarter or more Hispanic — and some of them are prime targets for Democrats who need 17 seats to take back the House in 2014.

But Republican leaders in Washington also face a much different picture nationwide: More than 100 House GOP districts have close to no Hispanic voters.

So, while some Republicans in Washington might argue there’s no need to tackle immigration reform with a pathway to citizenship, California Republicans believe they must — or face extinction.

Already the California Republican Party is on the rocks: Democrats hold every statewide office and an unbreakable supermajority in both chambers of the state Legislature. It’s a situation top players in the state party say is the direct result of missing the demographic tidal wave before it hit — a lesson the national party should remember as they debate immigration reform.

“Republicans in California ignored demographic changes,” state Republican Party Chairman Jim Brulte said in an interview. “As a result, we’re a significant minority.”

more
http://www.politico.com/story/2013/08/california-immigration-reform-95656.html#ixzz2cRqRMReN

So let me get this straight :0) .. the mighty all-white party is now reduced to groveling for Hispanic voters to save the party from itself. :0)

Good luck with that. :0)
 
This is just my political observation as one individual. I'm not in politics and I definitely have no 'inside the beltway' knowledge.

When speaking about purely raw politics the name of the game is getting more votes than your opponent. I think the Republican Party has pretty much written off getting anything other than a tiny tiny slice of the black vote. I think their belief is our time spent trying to gather more votes has a better chance of success elsewhere.

Both party's are obviously fighting over the growing Hispanic vote. George W. got 40% I believe in '04. Mitt "Self Deport" Romney got his *ss kicked by Hispanics in '12. If you are a Republican in an all white state or an almost all white Congressional district you can get away without winning much of the Hispanic vote. For anyone else it is a must.

To me personally it's pretty clear Republicans aren't going to win black voters back overnight. It's going to take a lot of work. I think it needs to start at the grassroots level cultivating black candidates and leaders who get involved locally and start making changes there.

Most excellent thoughts.

Republicans aren't going to win the black vote .. ever. Republican celebration for Zimmerman has locked that door for all time.

I would suggest that Hispanics have memories as well.

Because many republican districts are all-white, then as you've said, those republicans can get away with ignoring Hispanics and continue to see them as threats to the status quo.
 
Watch out, poet. Some malicious morons may try to use this to find personal info on you.

To late, since court documents are available to the public (regarding law suits - especially those that have a racial tone) and then when you search using Poet's name; well.......................

...................................... it's not quite what he said it was.
 
:0)

The mighty all-white party now reduced to groveling for Hispanic voters to save the party from EXTINCTION.

:rofl2:

Oh the irony.
 
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