Blackouts Loom In California As Electricity Prices Are “Absolutely Exploding”

Micawber said:
I have 30 solar panels, a Honda 7000 is inverter gen, a large garden, 8 urban chickens, 10 gallons of gas, two hand weapons, and a Prius.

I'm green as all getout and blackout or treason ready, as the case may be. :)



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Your generator and 10 gallons of gas and the Prius will become illegal.
 
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T. A. Gardner said:
Right now (at least in AZ), the cost of a home solar installation is somewhere between $40,000 and $60,000. You get a $15,000 and change tax write off from the feds you can take over three years. AZ gives you another $1000 tax break. This means for the typical solar array buyer they save somewhere between $20 and $50 a month over paying for electricity after taking the rebates. Without those tax breaks, solar costs more than just buying the electricity.
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Interesting that you claim the price is $40-60,000 and Energy Sage says "an average solar installation in Arizona ranges in cost from $10,795 to $14,605" as of July 2021.
https://www.energysage.com/local-data/solar-panel-cost/az/


Similar costs from a solar installer in AZ.
https://highdesertenergy.com/blog/f/how-much-does-solar-panel-installation-cost-typically-in-arizona


From my trips to AZ, I would have to say there aren't too many houses in the Pheonix suburbs big enough to put $40,000 worth of solar panels on a south facing roof since $40,000 of solar panels would be about 48 panels.

California has mandated that madness on all new homes in the state with the developer taking all the rebates. The buyer ends up paying the equivalent of about $20,000 to $30,000 extra for the home when bought in increased cost and interest in their mortgage.
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That looks like a bargain based on how high you claim electricity prices are in California. At $20,000 and .17 per KWH, the solar panels should pay for themselves in about 7 years and then your electricity is free for the next 13 -18 years before the panels are reduced to 80% production.

Just wait until the greentards where you live ban natural gas. This is particularly bad for those that live somewhere cold much of the year. Heating your house on electrical will bankrupt you. You'll probably have to go to a wood pellet stove (horribly environmentally unfriendly) to do it like Germans have. Or, install an electric tankless hot water heater and watch your electric bill skyrocket due to the common billing practice of utilities using your highest KW load of the month. Every time you have that thing go on, your KW usage goes through the rafters. Normal home power usage is typically 5 to 8 KW. When your tankless goes on it shoots up to 30 to 40 KW while running. That will often double or triple your KWH rate from the utility. Your solar panels can't handle that much in any case so you get screwed.

Isn't going green just the best?
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OMFG. You think utility companies charge triple the rate for customers that have large electrical surges? I wonder why a company that uses a lot of electricity would put up with that and stay in Texas. Electricity tends to be cheaper per KWH for large users in most blue states. As to your argument about natural gas and electrical costs. I guess you must be really young to not know about the spike in costs of natural gas and propane about 20 years ago when radiant electric heat was cheaper than gas. And that was before the advent of the modern heat pump that is much more efficient than radiant heat. The nice thing about tankless heaters is as long as you don't take 3 hour showers at 130 degrees your electric usage will actually be less than a tank heater. (And electric tank heaters do exist and are quite common.) Most of the US will only need a 25Kwh tankless heater since that will give enough hot water for 2 people showering at the same time.
 
Prices are higher here across the board because affluent people can pay for it. Supply and demand.

I want high prices, best tool to keep the riff raff away. Does it pinch? Sure, but well worth it. ;)
 
Micawber said:
Prices are higher here across the board because affluent people can pay for it. Supply and demand.

I want high prices, best tool to keep the riff raff away. Does it pinch? Sure, but well worth it. ;)
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You deny supply and demand curves. The problem is there is not enough supply. The SOTC does not generate sufficient power (by their own choice).
 
Walt said:
Texas desperately needs some of California's money. I say Texas should stay true to their alt right values, and cut themselves off from California.
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Don't think Texas or anyone else would have a problem with that.
The SOTC wants to ban internal combustion engines. I say stop all truck, trains, shipping, aircraft from entering or using SOTC facilities. Shut off all water and electricity exported to the SOTC. Let 'em sit in the hot dark and do some serious navel gazing.
 
Walt said:
Texas desperately needs some of California's money. I say Texas should stay true to their alt right values, and cut themselves off from California.
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Texas needs no money from the SOTC. It needs no trade with the SOTC either. Neither does anyone else.
 
Micawber said:
Prices are higher here across the board because affluent people can pay for it. Supply and demand.

I want high prices, best tool to keep the riff raff away. Does it pinch? Sure, but well worth it. ;)
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By the poverty and homelessness you have in CA looks like you failed again.
 
California, they bitch about climate change and then build massive cities in a desert. They bring water from other states because they are abusing their own water table daily. Fuck California and their citizens, they deserve everything they are experiencing.
 
“We’ve seen that some of the resources we’ve procured have run into some supply chain issues,” said Elliot Mainzer, the top official at the California Independent System Operator which is the public agency that runs the state’s electricity grid.

Wildfires, drought and widespread heat only make things worse. If any or all of those things happen the power situation in California could hit a critical stage.

“We still import about a quarter of our electricity from out of state,” Mainzer said.
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https://www.kpbs.org/news/2021/jul/07/california-grid-managers-worry-summer-power-supply/

That's California for Ya!
 
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