Blame the Victim!

AssHatZombie said:
But let's not forget about our fearless leaders who should be protecting people from destructive corporate predation, and actually have the power to do it. Instead they're using their power to FACILITATE corporate predation.
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Of course they are they are pretty much a part of the corps. And we are dumb enough to keep electing em.
 
Socrtease said:
The ONLY duty that the government has to me is to make sure that the products made in other places are safe. As Chinese goods go, right now they are not all safe and most of them are going to our kids. As for chinese goods as a whole, if they are safe then let the market decide. If people don't want Chinese goods they can find alternatives in most cases.
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I think we also have a moral duty to not promote slave labor or prison labor abroad by not buying prisoner or slave made goods. We already attempt such restrictions on child labor. This is no different.

It's also not a "free market" when one country is arbitrarily allowed to manipulate it's currency to dominate all production markets.

You need to reexamine your fashionably globalist yet woefully wrong beliefs.
 
AssHatZombie said:
I think we also have a moral duty to not promote slave labor or prison labor abroad by not buying prisoner or slave made goods. We already attempt such restrictions on child labor. This is no different.

It's also not a "free market" when one country is arbitrarily allowed to manipulate it's currency to dominate all production markets.

You need to reexamine your fashionably globalist yet woefully wrong beliefs.
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It is free, just not "fair". I promote the "Fair Market"
 
Thats for sure.......

froggie said:
I try and find things not made in China, but it is getting harder than you would expect!
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When I upgraded my pc(HP/Compaq)...I thought it was made in the good old USA...Not... it was made in China! is this where I come down with cancer....?
....a sad state of affairs...I am so sick about this!
 
uscitizen said:
Of course they are they are pretty much a part of the corps. And we are dumb enough to keep electing em.
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WHy do you keep perpetuating the charade with your partisan hackery? And why do you want to brush off discussions of what's really going on. Because you have "accepted the global economy" that means you will now facilitate it's creation with your propagandistic denials and implications of irreversibility, even when you agree it's a bad deal? Why are you selling out for? Because you couldn't change it yourself? Don't become part of the problem out of ego, young jedi. I am your master now.
 
AssHatZombie said:
I think we also have a moral duty to not promote slave labor or prison labor abroad by not buying prisoner or slave made goods. We already attempt such restrictions on child labor. This is no different.

It's also not a "free market" when one country is arbitrarily allowed to manipulate it's currency to dominate all production markets.

You need to reexamine your fashionably globalist yet woefully wrong beliefs.
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All counties manipulate their money to their best advantage.
 
uscitizen said:
All counties manipulate their money to their best advantage.
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Not 100% Most countries float their currency and their values inflate and deflate based on international market forces. China ties theirs to ours, and we sit back and buy their shit. I'm starting to come around to Pat Buchanan's way of thinking on our relationship with China. They're sticking a white hot fork in our eye, and we're thanking them for it. We should propose trade restrictions on them until they float their currency. For us to turn our eyes to this is a failure of leadership I think.

Of course, they're holding enough american money to hold our feet to the fire now, thanks to years of this bullshit.

Anyhow, the carnies used the tub 2 nights ago, and I've got some video of me scooping out the foam the next day. I'll post it when I have a chance.
 
Beefy said:
Not 100% Most countries float their currency and their values inflate and deflate based on international market forces. China ties theirs to ours, and we sit back and buy their shit. I'm starting to come around to Pat Buchanan's way of thinking on our relationship with China. They're sticking a white hot fork in our eye, and we're thanking them for it. We should propose trade restrictions on them until they float their currency. For us to turn our eyes to this is a failure of leadership I think.

Of course, they're holding enough american money to hold our feet to the fire now, thanks to years of this bullshit.

Anyhow, the carnies used the tub 2 nights ago, and I've got some video of me scooping out the foam the next day. I'll post it when I have a chance.
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I know, scary to think that one agrees with Buchanan...but the time has come.
 
froggie said:
I know, scary to think that one agrees with Buchanan...but the time has come.
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Buchanan is misunderstood in very many respects. I don't like his social views at all, but that guy was dead on with regard to foreign policy before and after 9-11 and the Iraq War.

In 1999, he whote a book called "A Republic, Not An Empire" where he predicted a catastrophic terrorist attack and the botched foreign policy that would follow. Sure enough, 9-11 happened, and the fucknut in the Whitehouse decided to start all kinds of wars.

Then he wrote "Where the Right Went Wrong", which was a scathing, honest, and spot on criticism of the Iraq war, naming names, showing the failure of the congress to reign in the retard in chief, and W's willingness to let our young men and women to go lose life and limb over there in Iraq over dishonest reasons while sleeping like a baby on benedryl every night.

Yeh Buchanan has his problems, but I would take him over Bush. At the very least, there'd be about 3,500 more of America's kids still alive and well, 25,000 American families not dealing with a death or maiming, and hundreds of thoushands fewer reasons for people in the middle east to hate this country.
 
Beefy said:
Not 100% Most countries float their currency and their values inflate and deflate based on international market forces. China ties theirs to ours, and we sit back and buy their shit. I'm starting to come around to Pat Buchanan's way of thinking on our relationship with China. They're sticking a white hot fork in our eye, and we're thanking them for it. We should propose trade restrictions on them until they float their currency. For us to turn our eyes to this is a failure of leadership I think.

Of course, they're holding enough american money to hold our feet to the fire now, thanks to years of this bullshit.

Anyhow, the carnies used the tub 2 nights ago, and I've got some video of me scooping out the foam the next day. I'll post it when I have a chance.
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There's no magic way to gain an advantage in trade, Beefy. China may have high sales due to an inflated currency, but it cuts severely into their profits. They're basically giving their stuff away to us, which clearly isn't good for their economy. They're leaders are mercantilists who believe it'll get them ahead but it's killing their people.

I want them to float their currency too, but it'll be for the Chinese people's sake, not the Americans.
 
Watermark said:
There's no magic way to gain an advantage in trade, Beefy. China may have high sales due to an inflated currency, but it cuts severely into their profits. They're basically giving their stuff away to us, which clearly isn't good for their economy. They're leaders are mercantilists who believe it'll get them ahead but it's killing their people.

I want them to float their currency too, but it'll be for the Chinese people's sake, not the Americans.
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Either way, I'm not suggesting that there is some magic wand that you wave around that'll make your economic dick any bigger.

They don't care that it hurts their people, or ours or anyone elses. The bottom line for them is that they will eek out a net gain by doing this business, and we will eek out a net loss. This is war, maybe somewhat of a pyrrhic battle, maybe a one of attrition, but they are ahead, net net. Who cares who gets hurt right?
 
Beefy said:
Buchanan is misunderstood in very many respects. I don't like his social views at all, but that guy was dead on with regard to foreign policy before and after 9-11 and the Iraq War.

In 1999, he whote a book called "A Republic, Not An Empire" where he predicted a catastrophic terrorist attack and the botched foreign policy that would follow. Sure enough, 9-11 happened, and the fucknut in the Whitehouse decided to start all kinds of wars.

Then he wrote "Where the Right Went Wrong", which was a scathing, honest, and spot on criticism of the Iraq war, naming names, showing the failure of the congress to reign in the retard in chief, and W's willingness to let our young men and women to go lose life and limb over there in Iraq over dishonest reasons while sleeping like a baby on benedryl every night.

Yeh Buchanan has his problems, but I would take him over Bush. At the very least, there'd be about 3,500 more of America's kids still alive and well, 25,000 American families not dealing with a death or maiming, and hundreds of thoushands fewer reasons for people in the middle east to hate this country.
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Well, when you put it like that, hell yes, I would take him over Bush, but hindsight is everything!
 
froggie said:
Well, when you put it like that, hell yes, I would take him over Bush, but hindsight is everything!
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As a fellow political junkie, I would seriously reccomend "A Republic, Not An Empire" to be put on your reading list. I'll see if I can find the exact prediction ver batim. It might be surprising to you. It knocked my socks off 8 years ago, and then when 9-11 happened, then the Iraq war, Buchanan took a few steps up the ladder to me.
 
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