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cawacko said:
Reading the book I didn't get the impression he was Libertarian necessarily. To me he was more saying because there are so many rules people are afraid to make decisions and that we should lay out the guidelines and empower people (politicians, bureaucrats) to be able to make decisions. So it's not coming from a Libertarian "eliminate all rules" perspective.

I'll check out the video this evening. Thanks for posting.
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Libertarianism is NOT anarchy. It is NOT Somalia ... which is actually the closest thing to Communism that exists today. It is the gov't that was originally established by the FFs and simplistic enough for the common man to understand. And does not require a priestly class of royal career politicians and bureaucrats to control and run it.

Otherwise, I agree with your synopsis, tho I don't recall him lumping pols in with bureaucrats. He suggests that bureaucrats should not be held to the too tight control of politicians.
 
Bigdog said:
No, communism is the dissolution of gov't. Socialism is the stage before it.

Socialism is just the liberal hipster word for what used to be called monarchy.
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^^Slogans and over generalizations for the feeble minded.

Its obvious you have never torn yourself away from the Rush Limbaugh explanation of the world to acquire true knowledge and learn in any legitimate and academic way about European socialism and the totalitarian communism the Bolsheviks implemented
 
Cypress said:
^^Slogans and over generalizations for the feeble minded.

Its obvious you have never torn yourself away from the Rush Limbaugh explanation of the world to acquire true knowledge and learn in any legitimate and academic way about European socialism and the totalitarian communism the Bolsheviks implemented
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The first time I was able to vote, was way before I ever heard of Rush, and I voted third party because even at that young age I could see there was as much difference between the parties as there is between Pepsi and Coke. OF course now, the Democrats have gone full socialist.

What liberals have done is brainwashed you into the narrative that communism is socialist authoritarianism. Which is Bullshit. Why do you ignore Marx's five stages?
 
Bigdog said:
Thanks, I forgot about that. I never read "We" so it didn't stick with me. I thought he drew much from his experience during the Spanish civil war.
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I am sure Orwell drew on multiple experiences for 1984 and I either did not know or had forgotten about any link to tha Spanish civil war
 
Frank Apisa said:
I'll look it over...and do the research I normally do with a recommendation.

Thanks.
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Of course. Perino recently created a book club, but you have to sign up to Fox Nation to view her interviews of authors, which I'm not about to do.

If you like psychological thrillers, I recommend the movie "Circle" on netflix. It's better if you don't read any preview spoilers. The characters don't know what is happening to them and to get the most out of it, you shouldn't either. You'll be like WTF? It is innovative. Just watch it.
 
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Bigdog said:
Of course. Perino recently created a book club, but you have to sign up to Fox Nation to view her interviews of authors, which I'm not about to do.
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As you probably supposed, I'd rather sign up for small pox.

If you like psychological thrillers, I recommend the movie "Circle" on netflix. It's better if you don't read any preview spoilers. It is innovative.
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I do not do the "Netflix" thing. We have HBO and SHO and a couple others like that. Except for news and sports...TV can be a bummer.
 
Bigdog said:
Which brings to mind the great Kurt Vonnegut.

I especially like his essay, Harrison Bergeron, where he skewers the ridiculousness of Socialism and social justice warriors.
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Vonnegut is one of my favorites. Welcome To The Monkey House, his book of short fiction, is one of my favorite short story collections. My favorite novels of his are Slaughter House 5 and The Sirens Of Titan. Sirens has one of the most beautiful sections I've read in a sci-fi book. The part where he describes these alien creatures as having only one purpose in life - to produce beautiful and soothing "music" for others to hear.
 
Frank Apisa said:
As you probably supposed, I'd rather sign up for small pox.



I do not do the "Netflix" thing. We have HBO and SHO and a couple others like that. Except for news and sports...TV can be a bummer.
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Too bad. It might be on amazon prime.

Anyway, I highly recommend "The Five Fingers". It is an excellent fictional book about a secret U.S. special forces operation into Cambodia. It is so well done that many military people suspect it was based on an actual real life mission.

It is a story of EXTREME hardcore soldiering, not for the faint hearted.
 
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Phantasmal said:
The Alienist was also made into a series. I think they did a great job. I’m currently re-reading “Caesar” by Colleen McCollough. I’ve also made over 10 dozen cookies, made fudge and Rugalach. I love baking for the holidays.
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I've read all of her Rome books. Wonderfully written, outstanding research into the history as well as customs, mores, and language.
 
Steven VanderMolen said:
Vonnegut is one of my favorites. Welcome To The Monkey House, his book of short fiction, is one of my favorite short story collections. My favorite novels of his are Slaughter House 5 and The Sirens Of Titan. Sirens has one of the most beautiful sections I've read in a sci-fi book. The part where he describes these alien creatures as having only one purpose in life - to produce beautiful and soothing "music" for others to hear.
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I read all I could find of his in high school. I agree, a great writer.
 
In terms of the technology then available, '1984' wouldn't have been possible - it would have taken two secret police for everyone spied on, surely? How would a successful revolutionary British working class have tuned into shit-eating Russian peasants in a few years? It doesn't hang together. Way back when, Orwell had drawn the right deductions from his experience in Barcelona, but he'd been working for Churchill for a good long time, and the public-schoolboy/colonial servant re-asserted itself, I'm afraid. He was very ill of course, at the time.
 
Cypress said:
Orwell based his book on the 1924 dystopian novel "We" written by Russian author Yevgeny Zamyatin, about a future totalitarian mass-surveillance state. It was not allowed to be published in the Soviet Union until 1988 under Gorbachev
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Is that the one where they could not use the term “I”? I remember reading it with my son, if that is the one.
 
Phantasmal said:
Is that the one where they could not use the term “I”? I remember reading it with my son, if that is the one.
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It is still on my library reading list so I am not sure about that.

I do know all humans are assigned numbers rather than names, everyone lives in glass buildings, to assist the State in surveillance, free will is presumed to be the source of unhappiness, and life is experienced according to mathematical precision and logic provided by the State

It is purported to be the grandfather of all dystopian literature , and it is easy to see how Orwell was paying homage to it
 
Frank Apisa said:
Didn't realize that.

Definitely a "kick your ass" kinda book.
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While the book does not mention it, the movie implies there is State forced mandatory exercise for all citizens.

Over half a century ago, healthcare was relatively cheap compared to today's super expensive miracle cures. As Politicians begin to take over the medical industry, they will be looking for new ways to control State medical expenditures.

One obvious way to reduce State healthcare costs is to order state forced exercise, as well as State controlled dietary restrictions including bans on alcohol, tobacco, and sugar. This is likely to happen with socialized medicine. All it will take is a long Recession to trigger these types of laws. And those who refuse to obey, may find themselves denied State healthcare for noncompliance.
 
Bigdog said:
While the book does not mention it, the movie implies there is State forced mandatory exercise for all citizens.

Over half a century ago, healthcare was relatively cheap compared to today's super expensive miracle cures. As Politicians begin to take over the medical industry, they will be looking for new ways to control State medical expenditures.

One obvious way to reduce State healthcare costs is to order state forced exercise, as well as State controlled dietary restrictions including bans on alcohol, tobacco, and sugar. This is likely to happen with socialized medicine. All it will take is a long Recession to trigger these types of laws. And those who refuse to obey, may find themselves denied State healthcare for noncompliance.
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Could be...although I doubt that would happen.

However, I understand insurance companies (a part of capitalism) now offer discounts to people who take yearly physical exams and who refrain from excess use of tobacco and alcohol.
 
Frank Apisa said:
In any case, I just noticed a poster's signature line in another forum where I post. You might enjoy it...and it is apropos of this thread:

There are two novels that can change a bookish fourteen-year old's life: The Lord of the Rings and Atlas Shrugged. One is a childish fantasy that often engenders a lifelong obsession with its unbelievable heroes, leading to an emotionally stunted, socially crippled adulthood, unable to deal with the real world. The other, of course, involves orcs.

John Rogers
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Priceless! And absolutely true, IMO. :laugh:
 
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