Boston is not the first time that police overreacted

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Wonder how many people have heard of the MOVE bombing? Police fired an astonishing 10,000 rounds of ammunition into that house while enforcing warrants that named only three MOVE members for misdemeanour charges. By the time that the fire was brought under control, 11 people were killed, 250 people were left homeless, and 61 houses were destroyed

PHILADELPHIA AND THE MOVE BOMBING

MOVE

Founded in the early 1970s, the MOVE organization was the brainchild of an idealistic social worker named Donald Glassey and a man named Vincent Leaphart. The name of the organization actually stood for nothing, and Leaphart and his followers espoused a back-to-nature retreat from the technology that they believed was ruining civilization. MOVE members were not known for much prior to 1977. During that year and into 1978, its members confronted the administration of former mayor Frank Rizzo. After six hundred police surrounded a MOVE commune, shots were exchanged between the police and commune members. One officer was killed and several others wounded. A dozen MOVE members were arrested on weapons and murder charges, and the movement spread out to other communes in the city. The group living at the Osage Avenue commune allegedly engaged in drug dealing, using the profits to purchase guns and explosives. Many of the members living there were children of the MOVE members imprisoned after the 1978 shootout. The stage for a second confrontation of authorities was set in the eighteen months prior to May 1985, when MOVE members in the Osage Avenue commune fortified the house and threatened the neighbors.

Confrontation

Because of their previous experience with MOVE in 1978, city officials took a vastly different approach in their efforts to evict the cult members from Osage Avenue. They evacuated more than five hundred people from a three-block area surrounding the cult house. When a last-minute appeal by boyhood friends of "defense minister" Conrad Africa failed to draw the MOVE members out, police began their siege. First, high-pressure water jets were used in an unsuccessful attempt to dislodge a steel-reinforced bunker on the roof of the building that allowed the cult members a clear field of fire over Osage Avenue. MOVE members and police then engaged in a ninety-minute gunfight. An attempt to enter the building by breaking through a cellar wall failed when MOVE members became aware of the attempt and set up an ambush, successfully fighting off the Special Weapons and Tactics (SWAT) team.

Air Attack

A decision was finally made to attack the roof bunker with explosives. A police helicopter dropped two pounds of DuPont Tovex TR-2, a nonincendiary blasting agent, onto the bunker. About twenty minutes later, flames were visible on the roof. Rather than once again turning on the water cannons, a decision was apparently reached to allow the fire to burn in an attempt to force the MOVE members out. By the time firefighters eventually responded, the roof collapsed and the entire building was in flames. This tragic decision was only the beginning of what turned out to be a monumental misjudgment by city officials.

Conflagration

Firefighters soon learned that the fire was spreading in the neighborhood of row houses. Attempts to halt the fire were initially unsuccessful. Only two MOVE members were able to escape the flames, Ramona Africa and a thirteen-year-old boy, Birdie Africa. By the time that the fire was brought under control, 11 people were killed, 250 people were left homeless, and 61 houses were destroyed. The eleven dead included six adults and five children. After months of hearings into the tragedy, Philadelphia mayor Wilson Goode admitted that he and city officials made a mistake in handling the situation.

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most people don't think BPD overreacted. People across the country are thanking BPD and pretty much worshipping them. Everyone in mass is loving them. They aren't like the LAPD that go around shooting random civilians.
 
most people don't think BPD overreacted. People across the country are thanking BPD and pretty much worshipping them. Everyone in mass is loving them. They aren't like the LAPD that go around shooting random civilians.

The MOVE bombing happened in Philadelphia not LA. I would say that practically closing a city down for two days is an overreaction.

My Iraqi friend has a son who got a scholarship to go to Brown University and has now married and lives in Boston about five minutes walking distance from the bombing.
 
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BPD didn't really have a heck of a lot to do with Friday's events. The suspects went from Cambridge to Watertown and never entered Boston.
 
4/19/1993

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On a grassy Texas prairie two decades ago, massive flames engulfed a religious sect's compound where nearly 80 people — including two dozen children — had been holed up since a botched federal raid seven weeks earlier.
 
most people don't think BPD overreacted. People across the country are thanking BPD and pretty much worshipping them. Everyone in mass is loving them. They aren't like the LAPD that go around shooting random civilians.

Of course I live in Oklahoma and have to rely on news reports but this is what I am seeing and hearing. Myself, I don't see an over reaction at all from what I've heard and read.
 
Of course I live in Oklahoma and have to rely on news reports but this is what I am seeing and hearing. Myself, I don't see an over reaction at all from what I've heard and read.

I would call hundreds of police, SWAT teams and National Guard with armoured personnel carriers, closedown of the public transport systems and businesses an over reaction. Considering that we have had many bombings in mainland Britain, I have never see anything like that over here.
 
I would call hundreds of police, SWAT teams and National Guard with armoured personnel carriers, closedown of the public transport systems and businesses an over reaction. Considering that we have had many bombings in mainland Britain, I have never see anything like that over here.

OK, but like, how is it akin to bombing civilians and destroyed an entire city block? On the scale of overreactions and their potential consequences, I think this one is relatively tame.

Also, too, the shutdown of the city and neighboring communities (aside from Watertown) was not and actual shutdown but more of a stong suggestion (no consequences for violating it).
 
But Tom, how many such bombings have we had in the states? I think that is the qualifier. And a person can call it arrogance or whatever they want, but the attitude of most folks here is, "How dare they..." and "Let's get them before they do it again." That's why most folks here don't think it,was an over-reaction. Now remember that I am just rendering an opinion here so I fully acknowledge that I could be wrong...but I may never admit it. ;)
 
How did the BPD overreact?

I'm amazed at how last week went. There was a bombing, and they didn't have a heck of a lot to go on. Within days, they tracked down the suspects and the threat was gone. People in Boston rejoiced.
 
OK, but like, how is it akin to bombing civilians and destroyed an entire city block? On the scale of overreactions and their potential consequences, I think this one is relatively tame.

Also, too, the shutdown of the city and neighboring communities (aside from Watertown) was not and actual shutdown but more of a stong suggestion (no consequences for violating it).

Did you say before that you live in Boston?
 
I didn't mention WACO because it wasn't police but ATF storm troopers.
The Feds had many chances to arrest the Branch Davidian leader David Koresh when he left to go to town to buy supplies, with he did often, but all they did was watch Koresh. President Clifton and Janet Rino wanted to capture illegal automatic assaut rifles to show the press. They wanted to influence public opinion on the upcoming Assault Weapons Ban Bill in Congress, and that is why they did not want to end the standoff without a "Home Invasion". None of the partially burned up weapons assembled after the fire were found to be illegal.
 
The Feds had many chances to arrest the Branch Davidian leader David Koresh when he left to go to town to buy supplies, with he did often, but all they did was watch Koresh. President Clifton and Janet Rino wanted to capture illegal automatic assaut rifles to show the press. They wanted to influence public opinion on the upcoming Assault Weapons Ban Bill in Congress, and that is why they did not want to end the standoff without a "Home Invasion". None of the partially burned up weapons assembled after the fire were found to be illegal.

I agree with you, something that doesn't happen every day, the WACO siege was just disgusting considering that nobody seems to have been suffered any consequences.
 
You'll have to do better than that. People in Boston & everywhere in America are free today. In Boston, they feel quite a bit more free since they don't have to worry about mad bombers roaming the streets, as the authorities did an outstanding job last week.
people in boston and surrounding areas were dragged out of their homes at gun point and had their homes illegally searched. About as clear a violation of the 4th Amendment if there ever was one. If people consider that environment as being free, then we've already lost freedom and those people are brain dead. what kind of freedom does one have when the authorities can act against the constitution with impunity?
 
I agree with you, something that doesn't happen every day, the WACO siege was just disgusting considering that nobody seems to have been suffered any consequences.
except for all the ones burned or crushed to death by the government and the half dozen individuals that went to prison for defending themselves against the reckless and unlawful actions of the ATF
 
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