Boy Scout denied Eagle Scout award because he is gay.

Rune said:
Thanks for finally realising that I was never talking about pedophiles. Haiku brought that into the equation.
One might note also that men of any stripe are not members of the girl scouts.
As to the insults, you are forgiven because you clearly don't realize that you are misunderstanding me, and I am not being condescending, I am turning the other cheek.

There is no other straight person on this site who has more empathy for homosexuals than I do. I watched most of my friends die for twenty straight years (I live near a VERY active homosexual community). Now I am bereft of the multitudes of friendships I made over many, many years. I am sure anyone on this site who knows me will vouch for my ongoing and continuous support of homosexuals.

I was in the Boy Scouts myself. I was first exposed to many things in the Boy Scouts, many illegal, many immoral.
I was also assaulted by a man when I was a late teen. I was able to escape with only some groping.
I am comfortable with the Boy Scouts decision considering my experiences. It is not about hate, at worst it is ignorance, but not hate.

My ONLY point in addressing the OP was to talk about hate. The Boy Scouts position is not based on hate.
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i find your position interesting

i lived in sf for a while and worked for the sf ballet as their IT man for three years

my boss was gay and i never had any problem with him, in fact he was about the nicest boss i ever had

however, intolerance usually includes some hate and/or fear

my adoptive father molested my brothers and me

some people marry people with children just so they can molest their children

you are correct that the boy scouts can discriminate as they please because they are a private organization, however, that does not make it right nor am i saying that you are saying that it is

and i suspect that the organization will have to change eventually or continue to lose sponsors and members

also, catholic priests do not just molest boys, they have molested girls and that will be the next major scandal for them

perhaps i should include all religions as pedophiles/hebephiles seek out places where they can be alone with children

please see my post on app - [h=1]definitions of child sexual abuse terms[/h]
 
christiefan915 said:
At that age it should be NO sex, not more or less!
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beware, kids as young as 5th graders (if not younger) are experimenting with sex

i am not condoning this, just stating facts that i have encountered talking to mental health professionals

we live in a society where sex dominates advertising and video - internet, cable, satellite and broadcast tv and children want to be as adult as possible

all of our children that have children limit their children's access to media, both because of sex and violence
 
Haiku said:
It's an award that's earned with hard work and thought. He earned that!
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It's a rank he earned. It isn't an award... this is an earned rank. I'm just telling you what it is. This is like saying you were "awarded" your Sergeant rank in the Army. You were promoted, because you deserved it, you weren't "awarded" the rank.
 
Awarded, rewarded, incentive....carrot...he followed the rules and earned the rank. You are 'awarded/rewarded' the rank as a result of your effort. We can parse it as fine as you want, the kid did what he was asked to do.
 
Haiku said:
Awarded, rewarded, incentive....carrot...he followed the rules and earned the rank. You are 'awarded/rewarded' the rank as a result of your effort. We can parse it as fine as you want, the kid did what he was asked to do.
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Do you see me arguing that? Did you spend even a moment reading my post or did you just assume some opinion not evident and go with that?
 
You were parsing but to answer your question, yes I read your post. I don't assume anything unless given much evidence to support a conclusion. You could prove it wrong, there is the possibility you were making an attempt to agree the kid earned it rather than parse. Is that the case?
 
Don Quixote said:
beware, kids as young as 5th graders (if not younger) are experimenting with sex

i am not condoning this, just stating facts that i have encountered talking to mental health professionals

we live in a society where sex dominates advertising and video - internet, cable, satellite and broadcast tv and children want to be as adult as possible

all of our children that have children limit their children's access to media, both because of sex and violence
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I know they are. When my kids were younger I snooped into their social media sites to see what was going on, and if the kids on those sites weren't lying, some of the things they did would curl your hair. A woman I know, from church yet, hosted parties for her teenage daughter, supplied the kids with liquor, and showed them her sex toys. I know another mom that let her kids party in the house with no adults present, also supplied liquor, and turned a blind eye to what the kids were doing. Her reasoning was that it was safer to let them drink and carouse in a private home rather than out somewhere and possibly get caught.

You just can't tell what goes on in people's lives and how they justify some decisions. It's scary.
 
christiefan915 said:
I know they are. When my kids were younger I snooped into their social media sites to see what was going on, and if the kids on those sites weren't lying, some of the things they did would curl your hair. A woman I know, from church yet, hosted parties for her teenage daughter, supplied the kids with liquor, and showed them her sex toys. I know another mom that let her kids party in the house with no adults present, also supplied liquor, and turned a blind eye to what the kids were doing. Her reasoning was that it was safer to let them drink and carouse in a private home rather than out somewhere and possibly get caught.

You just can't tell what goes on in people's lives and how they justify some decisions. It's scary.
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Church or no church, would you label that women as liberal ?.....lol
 
Damocles said:
It's a rank he earned. It isn't an award... this is an earned rank. I'm just telling you what it is. This is like saying you were "awarded" your Sergeant rank in the Army. You were promoted, because you deserved it, you weren't "awarded" the rank.
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Not exactly according to what my friends who were in the millitary told me (although they were obviosly being cynical), that they'd promote the same mouth breathers and screwballs at pretty much the same time in service as they did everyone else. Pretty much regardless of ability and productivity.
 
Haiku said:
You were parsing but to answer your question, yes I read your post. I don't assume anything unless given much evidence to support a conclusion. You could prove it wrong, there is the possibility you were making an attempt to agree the kid earned it rather than parse. Is that the case?
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I was providing information. That this is a rank, not an award. Pedantic yes, but also true, however there was no statement on whether he should or should not be promoted to Eagle Scout. Personally I can't see how being gay would/should stop some kid from receiving a rank that he deserves.
 
Mott the Hoople said:
Not exactly according to what my friends who were in the millitary told me (although they were obviosly being cynical), that they'd promote the same mouth breathers and screwballs at pretty much the same time in service as they did everyone else. Pretty much regardless of ability and productivity.
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Well, they certainly weren't "awarded" it... This isn't a medal, it's a rank.

Basically, how the military does it, they take tests, and based on the results they are organized into a list and the number of slots for the new rank they either get or have to wait for the next round for the new rank. Basically, your score and your Evals put you into a list, they simply count down the number of slots they have to fill in that rank of your MOS and boom...
 
Damocles said:
I was providing information. That this is a rank, not an award. Pedantic yes, but also true, however there was no statement on whether he should or should not be promoted to Eagle Scout. Personally I can't see how being gay would/should stop some kid from receiving a rank that he deserves.
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Well in that case you're a self proclaimed bigot.
 
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