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Dutch Uncle
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Read the Judge ruling or a summary of it as he has listed over a dozen of the documents Trump filed which show CLEAR and UNDENYABLE documents fraud.
I will repeat this post, i have posted many times, below which NO ONE can defend against saying this does not constitutes document fraud...
Below are just 3 of many, MANY more detailed frauds the judge laid out in detail in his ruling.
The first property listed there, 7 Springs, was an undeveloped plot of land of which the Trumps PLANNED to build a series of mansions on.
Trump paid Cushman Wakefield to appraise the land, and they gave him a value of $30MM. Trump was not happy with that and instead gave Banks a value range of $261-291MM.
Trump documents, as submitted stated the Mansions were already built and all construction costs complete. All of that was a fabrication. Trump never even had legal permission to develop the lots.
Do you know he defaulted on over $600M to Duetsche Bank? Why did Duetsche Bank allow him to default?
You won’t have to worry about anyone being in your face soon, old man,
Bigdog
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Quote with mainstream source, please.
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Banker involved in big loans to Trump's company testifies ...
AP News
https://apnews.com/article/trump-fraud-lawsuit-trial-new-york-53313f64d57b0aa99f756c2c791d29ab
Nov 28, 2023 — A Deutsche Bank executive says the bank followed its own guidelines when deciding to lend Donald Trump's company hundreds of millions of ...
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Dutch Uncle
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Ask the Judge.
Pedo Don is in the hole for over half a billion dollars and this ain't over yet.
While he may never go to prison, except to visit Junior or Eric, I suspect Pedo Don will be a lot poorer in the next few years.
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The actual fraudulent doc's have been posted in the extensive first court ruling where Judge Engoron found Trump guilty of documents fraud. We also had Trumps financial controller testify as the one who created the fraudulent documents.
- claiming mansions already BUILT and paid for on land that were a fiction
- claiming Profits REALIZED of $23 Million per home when no homes were built
- an entire community of UNBUILT homes (completed development claim) on a golf course where NOTHING had yet been built
- valuing rent controlled properties, by stating they were NOT rent controlled and attaching the higher value
-etc
-etc
A guy by the name of Vladimir Putin. Deutsche Bank is well know to have ties to the Russian Oligarchy. They were fined in 2017 for laundering money for the Russians. Donnie probably owes the Russians hundreds of millions of dollars.
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That IS NOT how corporations and the Law works.
it is Eric Trump (or other Trumps) who signed off on those fraudulent statements that were submitted to the bank as Eric admitted on the stand.
Company Officers CERTIFY that they have reviewed, understand, and stand by the accuracy of any such documents executed and signed when they act as the fiduciary who signs them.
What you cannot say, as the company officer executing and submitting documents is 'ya i signed them and handed them in but i actually know nothing about it as it was others who prepared them and gave them to me'. You and company are responsible for the fraud therein as you have a duty of due diligence and to verify anything you sign and submit.
Phyllis Diller
Was it me?
100% correct. I was in a position where I had to sign off on certain declarations my company was making. It didn't matter if the person preparing the statement made an error, I WAS THE RESPONSIBLE PARTY. PERIOD. If you are an officer of the company, you are on the hook for what you sign off on. The reason for this is obvious. YOU WERE THE ONE THAT SIGNED THE DOCUMENT UNDER PENALTY OF PERJURY.
Trump defrauded the state of New York. There was no factual dispute regarding this. The question was alway what the damages were. Looks like the judge decided on that figure.
My addition says it’s a billion minimum.
Very possible. He got away with it because Putin paid them back, most likely. So now, Trump owes PUTIN whatever amount that might be. Which pretty easily explains why Russian is working so hard to make sure Trump is re-elected. Putin is going to have a hard time collecting from Donnie if he's in prison. Trump might get to be Navalny after all.
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Yup.
The general part of Deutsche Bank that most businesses deal with for loans, etc, got burned by Trump in his earlier bankruptcy's and refused to deal with anymore.
But the Private Wealth Banking side, then stepped up and starting funding him.
The Private Wealth Management side ONLY manages the money of certain uber wealthy individuals. As an uber wealthy individual you can give the bank discretion to assess and put you in varied investments to seek returns and be hands off and that is fine. But you can also be very hands on with them. For instance an Uber wealthy individual might have a cash rich Trust with the bank and they might tell the bank 'I want my Trust to be the investor behind this new Restaurant Chain venture... please forward them the money needed' and then the Private Banking sector will do it, as it is the clients money and they have ultimate say.
So back in those days Trump was most associated with Russian Oligarchs and many top Mobster guys in NYS who were all looking to use US real estate to launder money. Trump Org, who asked no questions, even when mobsters showed up with millions in cash in bags, to buy properties, was the perfect partner for it. So is it likely a Russian Oligarch or Mobster used his Deutchce bank Private Banking relationship to back stop Trump loans there, so they would lend to him... YES, absolutely. Remember to back stop loans for Trump the Oligarch or Mobster would not necessarily need to put out a penny. They just provide to Deutsche bank a co signer relationship for the account, which does hold risk if the person does default, but as long they don't you are getting paid for being the insurance type back stop.
Many Mobsters or Oligarchs would probably be happy with that risk/reward as they make most of their money on the front end, laundering their money.
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QP!
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That is FALSE and you are stupid.
As someone who has owned businesses, been an Officer and Director I know for FACT that anything we sign and submit, WE ARE THEN RESPONSIBLE for the accuracy of.
As the company and its officers YOU DO NOT get a pass by saying 'my employee, the company Controller made the statements and not me'. Once you put your signature on it and submit it, it is the company and its Officers who are FULLY responsible.