The first thing that you bush apologists need to know is that those of us that do serve or have served in the military go where we are told. If the person leading us there is wrong it makes our actions no less honorable, as our job has never been to decide if the war we are fighting is right or wrong. Vietnam was wrong. It wasn't the soldiers fault and those that blamed them and spit on them need nothing short of an ass whooping. On 9-11 we were attacked by men on a mission directed by Al Qaeda who was sheltered in Afghanistan. When we first struck out against them we did it in Afghanistan which was the correct course of action. There was never a connection between Iraq and 9-11, and when Bush and his henchies saw they couldn't make that one stick they had to go to something else. The fact that you idiots keep pointing at statements made by the Clinton Administration is laughable. At best any information that they had was 3 years old by the time we invaded Iraq. NO ONE goes to war on 3 year old intel let alond 3 week old intel. So give up the "Clinton said it too" whine. Bush was determined to go to war with Iraq. He KNEW it would be easy to defeat the Iraqi army and THOUGHT it would be easy to rebuild the country. He was wrong on the second count. BUt he could NOT commit the bulk of our "war on terra" to Afghanistan because what everyone knows is, it is not easy to fight in Afghanistan. Granted, if the war had be fought there alone you will still have the whinny pacifists who would have no stomach for that either, but basically the whinny pacifists have NEVER had a stomach for war no matter what the cause, that is why they are whinny pacifists.
I digress, what pisses me off more than anything is those of you that spent 8 years with your lips sown firmly to the sphincter on GWB, equating his piss poor handling of this whole situation with bad mouthing the troops. That is the cowards way of attempting to stifle debate. Bush was fucking wrong to go to war in Iraq. 3000+ men and women who stood in the same boots that did died needlessly so he could make it look like he had accomplished something when in reality all he did was hasten Iraq's plunge to Fundamentalist Islam, someplace there were not going under Saddam, regardless of what a piece of shit he was. Your guy fucked up. The new boss, not much better. He has sat around with his thumb up his ass while my buddies are now undermanned in Afghanistan. He still has a chance to undo this clusterfuck he inherited, but as someone in another post pointed out, this is his war now. He needs to lead follow or get the fuck outta the way or he is going to follow Bush and LBJ into history as two presidents that had no idea what the fuck they were doing as CiC.