British envoy: U.S. "hell bent" on war w/ Iraq

The first thing that you bush apologists need to know is that those of us that do serve or have served in the military go where we are told. If the person leading us there is wrong it makes our actions no less honorable, as our job has never been to decide if the war we are fighting is right or wrong. Vietnam was wrong. It wasn't the soldiers fault and those that blamed them and spit on them need nothing short of an ass whooping. On 9-11 we were attacked by men on a mission directed by Al Qaeda who was sheltered in Afghanistan. When we first struck out against them we did it in Afghanistan which was the correct course of action. There was never a connection between Iraq and 9-11, and when Bush and his henchies saw they couldn't make that one stick they had to go to something else. The fact that you idiots keep pointing at statements made by the Clinton Administration is laughable. At best any information that they had was 3 years old by the time we invaded Iraq. NO ONE goes to war on 3 year old intel let alond 3 week old intel. So give up the "Clinton said it too" whine. Bush was determined to go to war with Iraq. He KNEW it would be easy to defeat the Iraqi army and THOUGHT it would be easy to rebuild the country. He was wrong on the second count. BUt he could NOT commit the bulk of our "war on terra" to Afghanistan because what everyone knows is, it is not easy to fight in Afghanistan. Granted, if the war had be fought there alone you will still have the whinny pacifists who would have no stomach for that either, but basically the whinny pacifists have NEVER had a stomach for war no matter what the cause, that is why they are whinny pacifists.

I digress, what pisses me off more than anything is those of you that spent 8 years with your lips sown firmly to the sphincter on GWB, equating his piss poor handling of this whole situation with bad mouthing the troops. That is the cowards way of attempting to stifle debate. Bush was fucking wrong to go to war in Iraq. 3000+ men and women who stood in the same boots that did died needlessly so he could make it look like he had accomplished something when in reality all he did was hasten Iraq's plunge to Fundamentalist Islam, someplace there were not going under Saddam, regardless of what a piece of shit he was. Your guy fucked up. The new boss, not much better. He has sat around with his thumb up his ass while my buddies are now undermanned in Afghanistan. He still has a chance to undo this clusterfuck he inherited, but as someone in another post pointed out, this is his war now. He needs to lead follow or get the fuck outta the way or he is going to follow Bush and LBJ into history as two presidents that had no idea what the fuck they were doing as CiC.
 
I'll listen to those who were there on the ground in Iraq than a bunch of armchair generals who think Bush made a mistake...
 
I'll listen to those who were there on the ground in Iraq than a bunch of armchair generals who think Bush made a mistake...
And what you will find there, is that there is no consistent voice among Iraq War Veterans either. I have spoken to just as many soldiers, who were on the ground in Iraq, who think the war was a big clusterfuck as those who think it was not. I also know lots of Veterans of other wars that are just as divided when it comes to the war in Iraq.
 
Maybe you didn't hear and since you spent most of the past year being a hateful shrew I'm betting you didn't...

I AM CURED!!

Yep...I kicked cancer's ASS!!

92% survivability rate!!

Does that bum you out?

Do you wish I would have died from the cancer?

You can be honest.

After all, everyone already knows what a hateful old gasbag you are...

Congrats you must be feeling good.
I just had (this am) an echo cardiogram and the old ticker is doing better than expected. Efficiency increased by approx 10% that's sort of shorthand for what the doc actually said but I was quite happy at the news and forgot to really take in all the technicalities. Gotta keep walking that beach.
The say they wish us dead... they dont really mean it. They are nice people really ........ aren't they?
 
Congrats you must be feeling good.
I just had (this am) an echo cardiogram and the old ticker is doing better than expected. Efficiency increased by approx 10% that's sort of shorthand for what the doc actually said but I was quite happy at the news and forgot to really take in all the technicalities. Gotta keep walking that beach.
The say they wish us dead... they dont really mean it. They are nice people really ........ aren't they?

Now if they could only remove the chickenshit from between your ears, you remain alive and maybe regain a small amount of rationality....
 
No, I do not... quit assuming you know what "I know or think".... all you have accomplished is to show the board that you are good at avoiding the issue.

Tell us why it is you believe the Brits saved the US during WWII.
well after their success at Dunkirk they were unstoppable. Churchill was really quite distressed by the US entering the war seeing as the brits had it pretty well sowed up by 1941. /sarcasm
 
The first thing that you bush apologists need to know is that those of us that do serve or have served in the military go where we are told. If the person leading us there is wrong it makes our actions no less honorable, as our job has never been to decide if the war we are fighting is right or wrong. Vietnam was wrong. It wasn't the soldiers fault and those that blamed them and spit on them need nothing short of an ass whooping. On 9-11 we were attacked by men on a mission directed by Al Qaeda who was sheltered in Afghanistan. When we first struck out against them we did it in Afghanistan which was the correct course of action. There was never a connection between Iraq and 9-11, and when Bush and his henchies saw they couldn't make that one stick they had to go to something else. The fact that you idiots keep pointing at statements made by the Clinton Administration is laughable. At best any information that they had was 3 years old by the time we invaded Iraq. NO ONE goes to war on 3 year old intel let alond 3 week old intel. So give up the "Clinton said it too" whine. Bush was determined to go to war with Iraq. He KNEW it would be easy to defeat the Iraqi army and THOUGHT it would be easy to rebuild the country. He was wrong on the second count. BUt he could NOT commit the bulk of our "war on terra" to Afghanistan because what everyone knows is, it is not easy to fight in Afghanistan. Granted, if the war had be fought there alone you will still have the whinny pacifists who would have no stomach for that either, but basically the whinny pacifists have NEVER had a stomach for war no matter what the cause, that is why they are whinny pacifists.

I digress, what pisses me off more than anything is those of you that spent 8 years with your lips sown firmly to the sphincter on GWB, equating his piss poor handling of this whole situation with bad mouthing the troops. That is the cowards way of attempting to stifle debate. Bush was fucking wrong to go to war in Iraq. 3000+ men and women who stood in the same boots that did died needlessly so he could make it look like he had accomplished something when in reality all he did was hasten Iraq's plunge to Fundamentalist Islam, someplace there were not going under Saddam, regardless of what a piece of shit he was. Your guy fucked up. The new boss, not much better. He has sat around with his thumb up his ass while my buddies are now undermanned in Afghanistan. He still has a chance to undo this clusterfuck he inherited, but as someone in another post pointed out, this is his war now. He needs to lead follow or get the fuck outta the way or he is going to follow Bush and LBJ into history as two presidents that had no idea what the fuck they were doing as CiC.

Well said.
 
Maybe you didn't hear and since you spent most of the past year being a hateful shrew I'm betting you didn't...

I AM CURED!!

Yep...I kicked cancer's ASS!!

92% survivability rate!!

Does that bum you out?

Do you wish I would have died from the cancer?

You can be honest.

After all, everyone already knows what a hateful old gasbag you are...

I didn't know you were fighting cancer and am happy to see you're cured. :cheer:

It doesn't get much better than 92% survivability. Here's to many, many more happy and healthy years ahead!! :clink:
 
I'll listen to those who were there on the ground in Iraq than a bunch of armchair generals who think Bush made a mistake...

I've listened to those on the ground also, and there's a sizable number who call it a mistake. I know that goes against all your programming, but facts are facts. :cof1:
 
Congrats you must be feeling good.
I just had (this am) an echo cardiogram and the old ticker is doing better than expected. Efficiency increased by approx 10% that's sort of shorthand for what the doc actually said but I was quite happy at the news and forgot to really take in all the technicalities. Gotta keep walking that beach.
The say they wish us dead... they dont really mean it. They are nice people really ........ aren't they?

:cheer: More great news about one of my pals. Keep up the good work so that ticker keeps running for a long, long time.
 
I don't have a lot of time now but here is a little reading for you, in advance.
This poses the question, what would have happened if Britain had not gone to war at all.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...-hadnt-fought-World-War-2-British-Empire.html

We had gained little and lost much to defend France, our historic enemy, against Germany. In a strange paradox, we had gone to war mainly to save our naval supremacy from a German threat - and ended it by conceding that supremacy to the United States, our ally.

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...World-War-2-British-Empire.html#ixzz0YSxMhCOs


your link doesn't help you....you went to war to save your naval supremacy and then you "ceded" your supremacy to the US....you did not save the US, you lost your supremacy

nice try, but no cigar
 
I don't have a lot of time now but here is a little reading for you, in advance.
This poses the question, what would have happened if Britain had not gone to war at all.

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/debate/a...-hadnt-fought-World-War-2-British-Empire.html

An interesting article to be sure... but that does not support your claim that Britain saved the US in WWII. If you could, please expand your argument to include whatever it is that makes you believe this assertion.
 
I know you are desperate but I must point out that wasn't meant to be about Britain saving the US, so you could have saved yourself some angst, moron.

Then WHY would you post it in direct response to my request (where I even said please and thank you) to back your assertion regarding the US being saved by Britain during WWII (which you stated in post #64)???

It seams a bit silly to call Yurt a moron for pointing out that fact to you. You made the claim. I asked you to back it. You told me to say please first. I did so. Then you post an article link that has nothing to do with your claim. Yurt points that out and you call HIM a moron?
 
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