Brown wins - many will lose!

leaningright said:
Beck, Hannity and Rush

Now my question: Why is it that they have more followers?




I think that there are a several of the "democrats" elected who fall into the blue dog category.....they are more moderate or right-leaning like me. This provides more opposition to very liberal ideology that what might meet the eye with only a Democratic/Repbulican comparison of a legislative body like the House or Senate. It is just an opinion but it is a simplified version of the way I see it... :)
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I belive they have more followers because Conservatives seem to be more willing to fall into the trap of beliveing as much victrial about the other side as possable, while the liberals often are more willing and interested in hearing the other side. They may never in a million years ever agree with the other side, but they are more willing to listen.

I agree with you on your thoughst about the legislation, and that may also explain why the Conservative hate mongers are more popular than the liberal hate mongers.
 
Jarod said:
I belive they have more followers because Conservatives seem to be more willing to fall into the trap of beliveing as much victrial about the other side as possable, while the liberals often are more willing and interested in hearing the other side. They may never in a million years ever agree with the other side, but they are more willing to listen.

I agree with you on your thoughst about the legislation, and that may also explain why the Conservative hate mongers are more popular than the liberal hate mongers.
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, he says as he spouts vitriol that he has been spoon fed by what he believes to be trusted sources.

Personally, I believe it is because they hired people that didn't know radio. Rush, Hannity, et al. were radio first, TV later, even Colmes does a better job than Air America, mostly because comedians suck at radio. They hired people that they thought would entertain, but who didn't understand radio.
 
Damocles said:
, he says as he spouts vitriol that he has been spoon fed by what he believes to be trusted sources.

Personally, I believe it is because they hired people that didn't know radio. Rush, Hannity, et al. were radio first, TV later, even Colmes does a better job than Air America, mostly because comedians suck at radio. They hired people that they thought would entertain, but who didn't understand radio.
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I belive that if there were a market for it, LIberal hate radio would exist in the same prevelance as conservative hate radio. Its basic economics really, its all about the market.
 
Jarod said:
I belive that if there were a market for it, LIberal hate radio would exist in the same prevelance as conservative hate radio. Its basic economics really, its all about the market.
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The problem is, Rush isn't "all hate all the time"... nor is Hannity. If this is your understanding of their shows then you are an example of the people I am talking about. Nobody likes to hear Garafolo go on and on about how much she hates Bush, even the most absorbent lefty doesn't want to hear it. Or Randy Rhodes (your favorite I remember) go on about the "crime family" and only "the crime family" at all times for time immemorial...

There is a market for lefty talk, Colmes survives on Fox News Radio.

Basically they failed because they don't understand audiences from this venue. The left is constantly talking about how they want to force other radio stations into presenting their message, it is clear they are desperate to find a decent source to hear it, it was just that the people who tried it here wound up stinking up the airwaves.
 
Jarod said:
Conservatives seem to be more willing to fall into the trap of beliveing as much victrial about the other side as possable
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I hope you meant vitriol......long live vitriol!.......Mark Stein was filling in on the Rush show today......he had a shtick about Garafallo barricading herself in the last Air America studio (a log cabin in the Adirondacks) burning Al Gore's books to keep warm.....it was amusing to say the least.....but Garafallo could have stayed warm on vitriol alone.....
 
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Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
My question is, are people really that far into denial that they think re-establishing a version of the last 8 years will actually be good for the country?
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Damocles said:
Right. Because spending even more while doing the same exact things and getting zero result is mo' betta...

:rolleyes:

All of the last 8 years needs to be forgotten, including the last one.
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HOLD THE PHONE! You do realize that one of the major criticisms of Obama FROM HIS OWN PARTY AND SUPPORTERS is that he's continued the Shrub policies without any major reform, right? Yet the neocon GOP is wailing like stuck pigs about that! So what the fuck are they complaining about? Essentially they are getting they're way on key issues.....for the time being.

The hair up the neocon's ass is that Obama & company are tweaking here and there, making room for future reform and changes. It's only the first year. The Shrub years were not about compromise or change...remember Tom Delay? If that's what the neocons want to go back to, then God help us all.

Thing is, what few changes Obama has made
 
PostmodernProphet said:
I'm not getting pissy, I'm getting pedantic.....I am teaching you the error of your ways.....it is better to look at the facts than it is to dream the fanatic's dream.....you can pretend all you want that Brown won because voters didn't turn out.....the reality is, Brown won because record numbers of voters DID.....true, suck ass liberals who wanted Coakley as their senator didn't show up.....either because they didn't exist or because they were disheartened by her campaign......but, more people voted in Massachusetts than normally vote in Massachusetts.....perhaps that's what having choices does to an electorate......hope and change, Touchie, hope and change......
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And what exactly does that load of horse flop you just wasted time and space on have to do with the FACTS I presented that YOU cannot disprove? You're not "pedantic" just insipidly stubborn and irrational. Most people with a high school diploma would see that the low voter turn out essentially was PART of the equation....my assessment was NOT anywhere near complimentary about the Dem performance there or the reactions/actions of the registered Dem voters.
But in true neocon parrot fashion, you fluster at the very thought of anything outside of the Fox Noise narrative. Grow up, man. Jeez! :palm:
 
PostmodernProphet said:
impeachment would be mulligans for 2008.......

how about going back to the day before we spent a trillion dollars on nothing......how about going back to the day before we spent a year debating a health care reform bill that turned into nothing.....
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2008 has come and gone......that "question" has no place unless it was put there by the pollster. Who was asked that question....birthers? teabaggers? Give me a fucking break!

The healthcare reform bill turned to nothing thanks to the party of no...your neocon GOP bretheren....seems they are quite happy with healthcare insurance companies denying people, jumping up rates, etc.
Once again, you avoid admitting to or acknowledging the fuck ups of the Shrub & company....like how it was THEM who are STILL unaccountable for for a shitload of money blown in Iraq on Cheney connecting contractors.
 
bravo said:
An interesting exchange...follow along the pertinent posts...

Post 107 and 108 should reveal both posters claims
Post 122 and 125...the evidence...

TC PWNed...down for the count

and as he so elegently states....

he is....." a true coward unable to admit he's wrong on any level."

Nice job PMP...:good4u:
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One flaw in your little rant, genius....to date neither PMP nor you can logically or factually disprove what I linked and stated in post #125.

Once again, you display your intellectual impotence. Carry on! :cof1:
 
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Taichiliberal said:
HOLD THE PHONE! You do realize that one of the major criticisms of Obama FROM HIS OWN PARTY AND SUPPORTERS is that he's continued the Shrub policies without any major reform, right? Yet the neocon GOP is wailing like stuck pigs about that! So what the fuck are they complaining about? Essentially they are getting they're way on key issues.....for the time being.
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Which is what I said. If you think that conservatives didn't go out to support their candidate because they loved "the neocons" then you have a broken thinker.

The hair up the neocon's ass is that Obama & company are tweaking here and there, making room for future reform and changes. It's only the first year. The Shrub years were not about compromise or change...remember Tom Delay? If that's what the neocons want to go back to, then God help us all.

Thing is, what few changes Obama has made
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Why are you telling me to "hold on" then proceeding to try to say the same thing differently?

I don't care what the "neocons" want, other than I wouldn't vote for them..
 
Jarod said:
I suspect this sounds counterintutitive to many but I belive that the Brown win makes an Obama reelection more likely and thus, in the long run, will be better for America.

Recient history shows us that the worse the midterm elections are for the party in the white house the better the presidents reelection landslide two years later.

I had hoped we would get real healthcare reform, but we will get some small steps accomplished and maybe a less dramatic shift is better for the nation.

The hatred that is out there for President Obama, but was not for President Bush astonishes me. President Obama has not sent Americans heros to start a war of agression that would kill thousands of innocent American heros. President Obama has presided over the leveling off of the worse decline in the American Economy in generations and has cemented plans to end both of Bush's huge forign policy disasters..

Where is the hate coming from? Sure I wish the economy were better, but to blame it all on the Current President is silly and childish.
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Hey Jarod; here's a newsflash for you.
MICHAEL JACKSON IS STILL DEAD.
RUMORS OF HIS RESURRECTION ARE GREATLY EXAGERATED.
 
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal
HOLD THE PHONE! You do realize that one of the major criticisms of Obama FROM HIS OWN PARTY AND SUPPORTERS is that he's continued the Shrub policies without any major reform, right? Yet the neocon GOP is wailing like stuck pigs about that! So what the fuck are they complaining about? Essentially they are getting they're way on key issues.....for the time being.
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Damocles said:
Which is what I said. If you think that conservatives didn't go out to support their candidate because they loved "the neocons" then you have a broken thinker.

The hair up the neocon's ass is that Obama & company are tweaking here and there, making room for future reform and changes. It's only the first year. The Shrub years were not about compromise or change...remember Tom Delay? If that's what the neocons want to go back to, then God help us all.

Thing is, what few changes Obama has made
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Why are you telling me to "hold on" then proceeding to try to say the same thing differently?

I don't care what the "neocons" want, other than I wouldn't vote for them..
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For the record, I NEVER stated that conservatives didn't go out and vote.....they did, neocons and all. The DEMS made a point of either voting for Brown or sitting on their hands.....and there's evidence that they weren't the only ones who sat home.

I'm just stating for the record my position, as the way you phrase things just seemed ever so slightly off from what you previously stated to me. Now the air is cleared....no harm, no foul.
 
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Taichiliberal said:
I've said it before, and I'll say it again....just what in the hell are the conservatives "conserving" anyway? Because from 2000-2008 it sure as hell wasn't your money, my job or Smokey the Bear's backyard!

But seriously....this is what the GOP is all about:

"If we're able to stop Obama on this, it will be his Waterloo. It will break him."
---Sen. Jim DeMint (R-S.C.)

The GOP doesn't give a god damn about it's constituents....for them it's about the status quo retaining POWER. It's about destroying the very idea that this country openly rejected the PNAC (and put a black man into the Oval Office to boot). If the folks in Mass. think Brown and the GOP have their best interests at heart, are they in for a rude awakening...because the status quo is what's been screwing them over regarding healthcare. They have no one to blame but themselves.


I'm always fascinated at how people in this country continually vote against their best interest.
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Doomsday! Democrats now only have a 59-41 majority in the Senate! They can't get anything done!

What makes your whining and the whining of the Dems so funny is that they still have a bigger dominance in government than they or the GOP had in decades and they still can't get shit done. Arguably the SCOTUS aside, Obama pretty much had absolute power until Brown won and the Dems still have a good grip on the Executive and Legislative branches, and you're in despair?

If Dems can't get their shit together then they deserve to get thrown out in November. Then maybe Obama can try to spend his remaining six (or two if he doesn't figure out what to do) years facing his own personal Newt. Bush/Frist/Delay had the ball rolling with much less.
 
Damocles said:
The problem is, Rush isn't "all hate all the time"... nor is Hannity. If this is your understanding of their shows then you are an example of the people I am talking about. Nobody likes to hear Garafolo go on and on about how much she hates Bush, even the most absorbent lefty doesn't want to hear it. Or Randy Rhodes (your favorite I remember) go on about the "crime family" and only "the crime family" at all times for time immemorial...

There is a market for lefty talk, Colmes survives on Fox News Radio.

Basically they failed because they don't understand audiences from this venue. The left is constantly talking about how they want to force other radio stations into presenting their message, it is clear they are desperate to find a decent source to hear it, it was just that the people who tried it here wound up stinking up the airwaves.
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I thought Colmes left? He was a poor example as he was basically an appologist for the Left, he is a pittafull comentator, he is barely left.

Your agrment is possably valid for the particular individuals you mentioned, but there are those that do understand the audience and those who have tried, the problem is that the audience for such is not strong enough to support a nationwide show, much less three or four nationwide shows.

I am proud that no such audience exists for the left.
 
If President Obama were delivering on the Change, the hope would be taking care of itself.
 
Jarod said:
If President Obama were delivering on the Change, the hope would be taking care of itself.
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I tend to think he can't deliver on the level of "change" some hoped he would deliver because there are still too many people (Of course Republicans but some Democrats too) who don't want to implement the kind of policy that some who voted for Obama thought they would get. I predict that the only way Obama doesn't win in 2012 is if he starts pushing for very left-wing policies....which is what the "some who voted for" him I mentioned above seem to want.
 
leaningright said:
I tend to think he can't deliver on the level of "change" some hoped he would deliver because there are still too many people (Of course Republicans but some Democrats too) who don't want to implement the kind of policy that some who voted for Obama thought they would get. I predict that the only way Obama doesn't win in 2012 is if he starts pushing for very left-wing policies....which is what the "some who voted for" him I mentioned above seem to want.
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It looks clear to me that he will win in 12'.

I hope after that win he makes a huge left turn toward real change that can give us some reason for Hope!
 
Jarod said:
It looks clear to me that he will win in 12'.

I hope after that win he makes a huge left turn toward real change that can give us some reason for Hope!
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So I am guessing you are among the "some who voted for him" I addressed in my previous post. ;)
 
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