Bruce Springsteen on "This is happening now in America."

QP! said:
Cherry picked examples?

Two b list celebrities that the right and magats 'listened to their political views so much that they elected them'?

Those are cherry picked examples on the topic of 'which party listens to their celebrities views'?

And instead you point to the fact that Dems have celebrities that support them and vote for them (as maga does to albeit less) is what is deterministic of which party 'listens to the celebrities political positions'?

Is that really what you want to pitch Terry? Do you think anyone is stupid enough to agree with that?

There is nothing more comparable to determining 'which party listens to their celebrities' then the one 'who listen, and then nominate and then elect their celebrities'.
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Cherry picked. Two out of how many celebrities? I never said ALL celebrities, but rather a MAJORITY OF celebrities are Democrats, and that is absolutely true.
 
christiefan915 said:
What you really mean is that we should have picked a maga. Because you've certainly never given even a lukewarm endorsement to any Dem who ran for president.
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No, the Democrats should try and run someone who is:

Reasonably competent
Mentally sound
Not a radical Leftist

They might have a chance if they did that, but I wouldn't hold my breath they will.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
No, the Democrats should try and run someone who is:

Reasonably competent
Mentally sound
Not a radical Leftist

They might have a chance if they did that, but I wouldn't hold my breath they will.
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The same goes for any candidate of any party. Except you can substitute "radical Rightist" for repub candidates.

It's funny you think the first two apply to trump, though.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Cherry picked. Two out of how many celebrities? I never said ALL celebrities, but rather a MAJORITY OF celebrities are Democrats, and that is absolutely true.
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Terry, the two celebrities are the two who have achieved the HIGHEST OFFICE in the America of POTUS.

How did they do that?

As Celebrities they used their voice to get the right and magats to listen to them and follow their political views so much that they elected them.


There is no greater proof of 'listening to ones political views' then 'electing that person'.


You counter but yes 'a lot of celebrities vote for Democrats'.


Are you honestly this stupid that you think Trump and Reagan who ran based on their celebrity status and the voice that gave them are just 'two cherry picked examples' as opposed to the exemplars that should ALWAYS lead any discussion on 'How Celebrity can you give you a voice that certain people may listen to and follow'.


We are not debating 'which party has the most celebrities vote for it'., We are debating which party has the celebrities that the party follows and elects and listens to.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
How many Americans voted for chaos and corruption? Only the most die-hard MAGAts would support such an agenda.

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You didn't vote for lower grocery prices, you say you voted for Chase but I believe you voted for Kamala.
 
Terry if you were posed a test question of 'cite the best examples you can think of that prove Celebrities can use that to get powerful political voice' and cite 'what you see as their success in doing so'...

Who would you cite as the top examples?


And would you say 'Trump and Reagan using their celebrity voice to get elected' is not a top example to demonstrate 'celebrity can and does make many listen'?
 
christiefan915 said:
The same goes for any candidate of any party. Except you can substitute "radical Rightist" for repub candidates.

It's funny you think the first two apply to trump, though.
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But the Republicans aren't running radical Rightists. They run some very conservative candidates, but not the radicals like the Democrats and Left do.
 
QP! said:
Terry, the two celebrities are the two who have achieved the HIGHEST OFFICE in the America of POTUS.

How did they do that?

As Celebrities they used their voice to get the right and magats to listen to them and follow their political views so much that they elected them.


There is no greater proof of 'listening to ones political views' then 'electing that person'.


You counter but yes 'a lot of celebrities vote for Democrats'.


Are you honestly this stupid that you think Trump and Reagan who ran based on their celebrity status and the voice that gave them are just 'two cherry picked examples' as opposed to the exemplars that should ALWAYS lead any discussion on 'How Celebrity can you give you a voice that certain people may listen to and follow'.


We are not debating 'which party has the most celebrities vote for it'., We are debating which party has the celebrities that the party follows and elects and listens to.
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It is cherry picking! You continue to give two isolated examples ignoring the whole. Most celebrities are Democrats and support, often vocally, Democrats and the Left. I'm giving you hundreds, possibly thousands, of examples and you trot out just two isolated ones as a counter argument.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
But the Republicans aren't running radical Rightists. They run some very conservative candidates, but not the radicals like the Democrats and Left do.
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Biden was more of a centrist, though I'd concede he governed more to the left.

Most of the GOP right now is radical right. What are you even talking about there? Gerrymandering has left us w/ 2 parties who are largely comprised of fringe members.

And Trump isn't radical right - but he is absolutely governing as radical right. I don't see how that is disputable.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
It is cherry picking! You continue to give two isolated examples ignoring the whole. Most celebrities are Democrats and support, often vocally, Democrats and the Left. I'm giving you hundreds, possibly thousands, of examples and you trot out just two isolated ones as a counter argument.
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No it is not.

If we ask 'what country has supplied the most Popes' and i list a bunch of names of Italian popes and say Italy that is NOT cherry picking. It is answering the question with the correct data, even though i am PICKING those names from a long list of Popes who are not Italian.

To the question about 'which party listens to the view of Celebrities', NOT providing Trump and Reagan as the top examples on any list would be the cherry picking around them to avoid them.

Any list of criteria ranking the criteria of what 'listening to a celebrity entails' would have at the top :

- do you listen to celebrities and elect them to high office

If you disagree give a singular criteria that would rank above that to prove people were 'listening to their celebrities'?


You keep trying to push some version of who celebrities tend to vote for more, but groups can and do vote for parties who are ignored and abused by the party so that cannot be used as blanket proof.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
It is cherry picking! You continue to give two isolated examples ignoring the whole. Most celebrities are Democrats and support, often vocally, Democrats and the Left. I'm giving you hundreds, possibly thousands, of examples and you trot out just two isolated ones as a counter argument.
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Bickering side show to theme of the thread. Both parties have their flamers, neither party is defined by them.
 
Damocles said:
You didn't vote for lower grocery prices, you say you voted for Chase but I believe you voted for Kamala.
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Yes, I voted for Chase, but most Trump voters voted for lower grocery prices. They bought the Trump lie. Your unflagging support of the Orange Jesus tells me you voted for Trump, not Chase.

www.pbs.org

Food prices worried most voters, but they likely won't see lower grocery bills under Trump

Trump often railed on the campaign trail against hefty price increases for bacon, cereal and other products. But the steep food price inflation that stunned the U.S. and other parts of the world in 2021 and 2022 had complicated causes that are difficult to unwind.
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Supermarket sticker shock nevertheless weighed on the U.S. electorate. About 7 in 10 voters — including 70 percent of women and 63 percent of men — said they were very concerned about the cost of food and groceries, according to AP VoteCast, a survey of more than 120,000 voters. Only 1 in 10 said they were not too concerned or not at all concerned.

Trump won decisively among voters who said they were “very” concerned. Around 6 in 10 voters in that group supported him, while 4 in 10 supported Vice President Kamala Harris, his Democratic rival. Harris won strong majorities of voters who were somewhat concerned, not too concerned or not at all concerned.

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Food prices worried most voters, but Trump's plans likely won't lower their grocery bills

Americans are fed up with the price of food, and many are looking to President-elect Donald Trump to lower their grocery bills.
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As of October, U.S. grocery prices were up more than 25% from five years ago. That was a big concern for many voters. President Trump has vowed to lower those prices, but economists say there is very little a president can control in the short term when it comes to food prices.
 
BartenderElite said:
Biden was more of a centrist, though I'd concede he governed more to the left.

Most of the GOP right now is radical right. What are you even talking about there? Gerrymandering has left us w/ 2 parties who are largely comprised of fringe members.

And Trump isn't radical right - but he is absolutely governing as radical right. I don't see how that is disputable.
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Biden was an idiot, and for most of his career Right of Center. While in office as President radical Leftists were running things in his name.

No, the GOP is not radical Right. The radical Right doesn't do politics and hates any sort of government. The Democrats have been moving Left for decades gradually. AOC, Omar, Waters, as but three of many examples are on the radical Left. Bernie Sanders, is openly Socialist and many other Democrats aren't far from him.

Trump is not radical Right. The radical Right would be dismantling the government far more than Trump is ever going to do. They'd be howling to end income tax, and get rid--entirely--of federal social welfare programs, not just pare them back.

Yes, Trump is governing from the Right but not the radical Right.
 
QP! said:
No it is not.

If we ask 'what country has supplied the most Popes' and i list a bunch of names of Italian popes and say Italy that is NOT cherry picking. It is answering the question with the correct data, even though i am PICKING those names from a long list of Popes who are not Italian.

To the question about 'which party listens to the view of Celebrities', NOT providing Trump and Reagan as the top examples on any list would be the cherry picking around them to avoid them.

Any list of criteria ranking the criteria of what 'listening to a celebrity entails' would have at the top :

- do you listen to celebrities and elect them to high office

If you disagree give a singular criteria that would rank above that to prove people were 'listening to their celebrities'?


You keep trying to push some version of who celebrities tend to vote for more, but groups can and do vote for parties who are ignored and abused by the party so that cannot be used as blanket proof.
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I never said people were "listening to celebrities." I said, Most celebrities are Democrats and shill for the Democrat party.
 
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