Bush not only permanently disfuguring service members, but won't pay for disabilities

Robdawg

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Ty Ziegel peers from beneath his Marine Corps baseball cap, his once boyish face burned beyond recognition by a suicide bomber's attack in Iraq just three days before Christmas 2004.

He lost part of his skull in the blast and part of his brain was damaged. Half of his left arm was amputated and some of the fingers were blown off his right hand.

Ziegel, a 25-year-old Marine sergeant, knew the dangers of war when he was deployed for his second tour in Iraq.

But he didn't expect a new battle when he returned home as a wounded warrior: a fight with the Department of Veterans Affairs.

"Sometimes, you get lost in the system," he told CNN. "I feel like a Social Security number. I don't feel like Tyler Ziegel."

His story is one example of how medical advances in the battlefield have outpaced the home front. Many wounded veterans return home feeling that the VA system, specifically its 62-year-old disability ratings system, has failed them.

"The VA system is not ready, and they simply don't have time to catch up," Tammy Duckworth -- herself a wounded veteran who heads up the Illinois Department of Veteran Affairs -- told the Senate Veterans Affairs Committee in March.

VA Acting Secretary Gordon Mansfield said cases like Ziegel's are rare -- that the majority of veterans are moving through the process and "being taken care of." He also said most veterans are fairly compensated.

"Any veteran with the same issue, if it's a medical disability, ... it is going to get the same exact result anywhere in our system," he said.


http://www.cnn.com/2007/HEALTH/11/15/wounded.marine/index.html


why haven't the war mongering republicans fixed this system?? they've had 5 years of war to work on this?

maybe its b/c all wars end, so they figured since we were only supposed to be in iraq for three months it flew beneath the radar.
 
LOL you are expecting a government run program to actually preemptively fix things? Just wait till national health care.
 
LOL you are expecting a government run program to actually preemptively fix things? Just wait till national health care.

OMGZ I'm a fearmonger too chap!

The world will end and our taxes will triple once cost effective national healthcare is put in place at no additional cost besides what we take out of the robber barons pockets!
 
OMGZ I'm a fearmonger too chap!

The world will end and our taxes will triple once cost effective national healthcare is put in place at no additional cost besides what we take out of the robber barons pockets!

chap don't mind the government paying for wars, but he doesn't want to pay for wounded vets... hey you gotta draw the line somewhere.
 
if they run national healthcare like they run the VA hospital, medicare, ss, welfare... we are fucked.
 
if they run national healthcare like they run the VA hospital, medicare, ss, welfare... we are fucked.

Yeah, I know. Medicare is the worst thing in the world. That's why it's hasslefree and has an overhead rate of 1%, compared to those quick and efficient health insurance companies with overhead rates of nearly 40%.
 
if they run national healthcare like they run the VA hospital, medicare, ss, welfare... we are fucked.

Agreed, this is not a problem with Bush or any other politician not funding medical treatment for vets. The funding is there, the reality is that it is government doing the handling and care and they are well known to be slow, inefficient and not really caring about their customers (patients).
This guy says himself he just feels like a number, I'm sure we can all relate when dealing with government.
 
Agreed, this is not a problem with Bush or any other politician not funding medical treatment for vets. The funding is there, the reality is that it is government doing the handling and care and they are well known to be slow, inefficient and not really caring about their customers (patients).
This guy says himself he just feels like a number, I'm sure we can all relate when dealing with government.

*leaves*
 
Yeah, I know. Medicare is the worst thing in the world. That's why it's hasslefree and has an overhead rate of 1%, compared to those quick and efficient health insurance companies with overhead rates of nearly 40%.


lol not what i have herd my whole life
 
Agreed, this is not a problem with Bush or any other politician not funding medical treatment for vets. The funding is there, the reality is that it is government doing the handling and care and they are well known to be slow, inefficient and not really caring about their customers (patients).
This guy says himself he just feels like a number, I'm sure we can all relate when dealing with government.

dealing w/ government?? lol dano everywhere you go your a number, SS is a number, your capitalistic company you work for most likely your a number, your private run healthcare policy your a number....
 
Yeah, I know. Medicare is the worst thing in the world. That's why it's hasslefree and has an overhead rate of 1%, compared to those quick and efficient health insurance companies with overhead rates of nearly 40%.

Excellent point.

Privatize the VA and the vets will be paying out their asses for minimal coverage, no different than what exists in the privatized world of healthcare today.

I wonder how many people on Medicare now which it wasn't there?

Replace Medicare with what .. charity?
 
Agreed, this is not a problem with Bush or any other politician not funding medical treatment for vets. The funding is there, the reality is that it is government doing the handling and care and they are well known to be slow, inefficient and not really caring about their customers (patients).
This guy says himself he just feels like a number, I'm sure we can all relate when dealing with government.


I love how you guys talk about "government" as if "government" has nothing to do with who is actually governing. Government is made up of people. People have different priorities. This administration's "government" doesn't really like government at all. It's not wonder that the "government" therefore functions like shit. It's no wonder that the VA runs like shit. However, this is no reason to say that all government runs like shit.

On the other hand, Clinton's "government" actually believed government can do good things and can function to serve people effectively and efficiently. It's also no wonder that after the reforms to the VA system in the 1990s the VA outranked private hospitals on all measures of customer satisfaction. You see "government" can work. First, it requires that those governing actually want it to work.
 
Excellent point.

Privatize the VA and the vets will be paying out their asses for minimal coverage, no different than what exists in the privatized world of healthcare today.

I wonder how many people on Medicare now which it wasn't there?

Replace Medicare with what .. charity?


Privatize the VA and you'll have a shitload of soldiers that cannot get insurance. Could you imagine a fucking soldier trying to get coverage in the private market? They'd be priced out of the most modest coverage if they could get any coverage at all.
 
What's even more ironic is that these disfigured vets didn't just get disfigured because of Bush .. they got disfigured because a lot of the very same people here crying about Medicaid and the VA .. SUPPORTED THE NEEDLESS MINDLESS WAR THAT DISFIGURED THEM.

If you supported the attack on Iraq, the worst strategic, political, and military blunder in American history .. what the fuck are you crying about?

Do you even get to have a voice in American direction anymore?
 
dealing w/ government?? lol dano everywhere you go your a number, SS is a number, your capitalistic company you work for most likely your a number, your private run healthcare policy your a number....

Sure man, but where do you feel more like a customer? Go to Sears and talk to their customer care, they give a shit, they want your business again in the future. Then try going to government for something, who do you complain to? Who really cares? You think they care whether you walk away and go elsewhere? You have no choice and they have no pressure to care.
 
So if the gummit cannot handle health care for it's veterans, what makes you think it can handle Iran ?

If it mucks up one thing it will muck up another.
 
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