"But it doesn't prevent you from getting COVID!"

Nordberg said:
MAGA said:
As of May 10, there have been 4,434 reports of death following a COVID-19 vaccination to VAERS.

https://www.nebraskamed.com/COVID/does-vaers-list-deaths-caused-by-covid-19-vaccines

CDC doctors claim their is no relation to the vaccine but what would we expect pushers to say. My reaction was severe, no booster in my future
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Yeah,you know and the doctors and CDC are lying. I got the booster this week. As with all the others. just a sore shoulder for a day. Label the doctors pushers to poison the well as they save millions of people from the Trump virus.
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Remember last year when all the Trump Dick Suckers were claiming most, if not all, of the COVID deaths were really from something else? Now they are positively stating that all of the “vax” deaths were 100% certified to be solely caused by the vax. :laugh:
 
BartenderElite said:
Why does the Trump crowd keep saying this, as though it's any kind of argument against vaccines?

The fact that it doesn't prevent transmission has been known for a long time now. Everyone knows this.

What the vaccines DO is keep you out of the hospital, and the cemetery - very effectively.
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No, they don't.
 
Nordberg said:
Making an assumption that the long-term effects.which are completely unknown, is a step to anti vaxxing. Saying the vaccine which stops 90percent of Covid as not stopping infections is another anti vaxxing move.In both cases you have no data proving what you say. The variants are a gift to America from tha anti vaxers.
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Or they may be a consequence of initiating a massive vax campaign in the middle of a pandemic. I’ll await your peer reviewed RCT studies that support your favored *political* position.

I won’t be holding my breath. Who told you they were 90% effective? You still living in January?
 
Dutch Uncle said:
I expect that to change now that the FDA has approved the Pfizer vaccine.
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Pfizer is still classified EUA with their liability shield

One letter went to Pfizer which is still EUA because it still has the liability shield. ( https://www.fda.gov/media/150386/download )

The BioNtech vax is still in development, not ready for use yet and will be conditional until "fully approved" without a liability shield.
DHHS has issued a license to BioNTech (in Germany) controlling manufacture and sale of biological products. The license will then
authorize Pfizer to introduce or deliver for introduction into interstate commerce. That license will authorize them to manufacture
the product COVID-19Vaccine, MRNA. It will then be labeled by Pfizer as Comirnaty.

Also, the FDA completely bypassed the always necessary external advisory commissions with public comment period and unilaterally decided that there probably
wouldn't be any concerns that would have benefited from an advisory decision. Amazing. Sure. Nothing to see here. No questions. No cardio toxicity issues anywhere.
They just went ahead and authorized it. The only data they have is outdated because THIS Comirnaty is a brand new vax, not even on the market yet! Nothing in
there shows them dealing with the Delta variant. It's all about the original studies.

Plus the FDA letter only authorizes use for those 16 years of age and above. So, Deblasio needs to cool his jets on shooting up kids with this stuff. The studies
for kids won't be done until '23 or '24. Bet they'll probably shove another EUA out, this time for the kids.

The media and the pols have played a little shell game here and stated that the regular old Pfizer vax for EUA with its liability shield still in place
has the full formal approval. It does not. It will be the new one by the name of Comirnaty...in a couple years.

On page 6 they admit they do not have sufficient amount of data through VAERS system to determine risks properly. Unreal. But, they'll push it through.
They admit their system is inadequate, but again....so what. They'll just do what they want.
I see there that they at least acknowledge the myocardial issues and will require a 5 year follow-up.

They issued 2 separate letters for 2 separate vaccines.
The currant Pfizer still has the EUA classification and the liability shield. (no change) Pfizer always wants that liability shield.
The licensed BioNTech product, is similar, called Comirnaty, is not yet available until '23 or '24 and will not have a liability shield.

Nice bait and switch there lyin' fake state media! Show the public BOTH letters! Maybe just sloppy reporting and confused the two. LOL

https://www.fda.gov/media/151710/download
 
Hello Darth,

Darth Omar said:
It doesn’t stop infections and it was supposed to. They have cut down on hospitalizations but since we’re ‘living the experiment’ they may or may not hold true in the future. There’s the prospect of having successive boosters to try and keep up with the variants and no one has any idea what adverse effects can arise after several of them.

Telling the truth doesn’t make me anti vax.
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Actually it does stop infections, it simply does not stop 100% of infections.

And no, it was never 'supposed to' stop all infections.

The CDC does have a very reasonable idea of what adverse effects might be expected from the vaccines because it has collected so much data, and still is. And those effects are expected to be minimal.

And besides. All the vaccinated people who have grown a third ear out of their foreheads are reporting greatly improved hearing.
 
Cypress said:
My understanding of the bedrock intellectual principle of conservatism is: "Every man for himself!"
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Marxists understand little about Conservatism and why it is superior to the nanny state. :palm:

Cypress said:
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So true. :palm:
 
Phantasmal said:
My hair is on fire this morning, the horribly tragic deaths of 12 Marine is getting more outrage from the Trumpublicans than the 260,000 deaths of Americans from COViD. We had 35 people die in Houston the same day the Marines were killed in Afghanistan. Do they even care about those people?
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Americans died thanks to China. Dipstick. The soldiers died thanks to Biden's incompetence. :palm:
 
MAGA said:
that's not true either, many people including myself had reactions to the vaccine, a few have died.
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365 million vaccine doses administered - about 6,000 deaths reported.
40 million people got Covid - 600,000 deaths.

Hmmm.... Which one is safer?

I wonder if you can figure it out.


Reactions to the vaccine.
At least 8 women over the age of 70 were reported to have birth defects as a result of the vaccine
At least 3 men reported birth defects within 3 months after receiving the vaccine.

(The VAER's system should be taken with a grain of salt since self reporting allows for all kinds of errors.)
 
Stretch said:
Pfizer is still classified EUA with their liability shield

One letter went to Pfizer which is still EUA because it still has the liability shield. ( https://www.fda.gov/media/150386/download )

The BioNtech vax is still in development, not ready for use yet and will be conditional until "fully approved" without a liability shield.
DHHS has issued a license to BioNTech (in Germany) controlling manufacture and sale of biological products. The license will then
authorize Pfizer to introduce or deliver for introduction into interstate commerce. That license will authorize them to manufacture
the product COVID-19Vaccine, MRNA. It will then be labeled by Pfizer as Comirnaty.

Also, the FDA completely bypassed the always necessary external advisory commissions with public comment period and unilaterally decided that there probably
wouldn't be any concerns that would have benefited from an advisory decision. Amazing. Sure. Nothing to see here. No questions. No cardio toxicity issues anywhere.
They just went ahead and authorized it. The only data they have is outdated because THIS Comirnaty is a brand new vax, not even on the market yet! Nothing in
there shows them dealing with the Delta variant. It's all about the original studies.

Plus the FDA letter only authorizes use for those 16 years of age and above. So, Deblasio needs to cool his jets on shooting up kids with this stuff. The studies
for kids won't be done until '23 or '24. Bet they'll probably shove another EUA out, this time for the kids.

The media and the pols have played a little shell game here and stated that the regular old Pfizer vax for EUA with its liability shield still in place
has the full formal approval. It does not. It will be the new one by the name of Comirnaty...in a couple years.

On page 6 they admit they do not have sufficient amount of data through VAERS system to determine risks properly. Unreal. But, they'll push it through.
They admit their system is inadequate, but again....so what. They'll just do what they want.
I see there that they at least acknowledge the myocardial issues and will require a 5 year follow-up.

They issued 2 separate letters for 2 separate vaccines.
The currant Pfizer still has the EUA classification and the liability shield. (no change) Pfizer always wants that liability shield.
The licensed BioNTech product, is similar, called Comirnaty, is not yet available until '23 or '24 and will not have a liability shield.

Nice bait and switch there lyin' fake state media! Show the public BOTH letters! Maybe just sloppy reporting and confused the two. LOL

https://www.fda.gov/media/151710/download
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Did you bother to actually read both letters? Did you understand what the letters actually say?
Obviously not.
https://www.fda.gov/media/150386/download
The letter extending the EUA says this
On August 23, 2021, FDA approved the biologics license application (BLA) submitted by
BioNTech Manufacturing GmbH for COMIRNATY (COVID-19 Vaccine, mRNA) for active
immunization to prevent COVID-19 caused by SARS-CoV-2 in individuals 16 years of age and
older.
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It then goes on to say that the EUA is extended for those person there were covered under the original EUA but are not covered under the BLA. That would be people from the age 12-15.

The only one doing a bait and switch is you Stretch since you clearly did not read the letters and have no clue as to what they authorized.
 
Grumpy said:
Tell that to the vaxxed folks pushing up daisy's.
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That happens w/ the flu vaccine.

The #'s are incredibly low. What's the deal? When COVID started (and throughout), you guys downplayed the mortality % like it was nothing - and it's astronomically higher than the mortality % for the vaccine.

So, what gives? It wouldn't just be a political thing, would it?
 
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