" But we need them to pick our fruit and vegetables!"

[Earl]

Given your history, I am worried you want to track these people down and kill them in order to destroy America.

Who gave the order to shutdown America's civil air transportation on 9/11? It was an epically large decision, that I am not sure technically anyone had the power to do. It was not Bush, he was busy hiding from responsibility. Whoever it was, they are hiding their identity, because technically they could go to prison for illegally taking such a huge decision.

Who decided to evacuate the emergency city command center at the WTC? It was certainly not Mayor Giuliani, he railed against that decision for years. Had whoever it was not evacuated, then all the leaders of the first responders would have died when the buildings started collapsing.

Nonsense, Walter.

Immediately after the attacks, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) quickly rushed to ground all planes in the US airspace, and by 9:45 am, the FAA shut down the national airspace. The federal government worked to strengthen national security, realizing possible security threats in aviation.

The FAA has the authority to shut down a runway or all runways, Walter. A NOTAM is issued and the runway is closed.

It was done, legally, in case more attacks were planned.

ATC Zero​

Wikipedia
https://en.wikipedia.org › wiki › ATC_Zero



Under ATC Zero conditions, normal flight operations are suspended. Residual capabilities will dictate what type flights can be continued. Instrument Flight Rule ...




You have no clue about the agency that I worked for, for 30 years, Walter.

 

[Earl]

It’s amazing how they turn into shrinking violets when you press them for details.

I have personally seen old Walter shut down when proven wrong or asked for links…many times.

“OTS” in controller lingo (Out Of Service).

 

[Earl]

It does appear that old Walter has left the building.

Here’s another ATC command…”clear the airspace.”

It’s used in a combat zone…all non-friendly aircraft leave this airspace…the US big boys are coming in.

 

[Lao Tse]

For the sake of discussion, I respectfully throw this out. As this past election showed people do not like inflation, i.e. higher prices. And that is exactly what will happen by increasing labor cost for people picking fruit, cleaning hotels, cleaning peoples homes, etc.

We’re also not in a period of high unemployment. And you look at demographic issues we don’t have it as bad as some other countries but nonetheless with the boomers setting to retire, we need more workers in America.

So having less people in the country under the guise we would need less policeman and less teachers and so forth is not going to compensate. we would have large price increases and our entitlement programs would become even more costly.

how did the Dems become the party of "Jewing down" labor?

 

[Walt]

Immediately after the attacks, the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) quickly rushed to ground all planes in the US airspace

And who in the FAA made that decision?

 

[Earl]

And who in the FAA made that decision?

Why is it any of your business, Walter? It was the right decision.

The second aircraft hit the South Tower 17 minutes after the first, instantly killing hundreds more. "That's when I shut down the airspace," McCormick said. "I went to the operations manager, told him to call it ATC Zero, which means that New York Center is going to cease all operations.

This happened across the country, Walter, without your permission.

 

[Truth Detector]

There are only 7 million people in the US (citizens and green card holders) that are considered unemployed and looking for work.

Which number is bigger? 11 or 7?

Pointless post.

 

[Earl]

Pointless post.

Indeed…most of what he posts is pointless…and inaccurate.

 

[Truth Detector]

US unemployment in October of 2024 - 6.984 million

Civilian unemployment

www.bls.gov

Yes, and?

 

[Truth Detector]

Biden did no such thing.

Lie, lame and stupid.

 

[Truth Detector]

Since you don't eat fruits or vegetables, Fat Boy, I can see why you are not concerned about inflation and pricing produce out of reach of low-income MAGAt dumbasses.

 

[Truth Detector]

Our nation needs immigration reform.

What specifically needs to be reformed?

Among GW's better ideas was that same idea with an emphasis on work visas. Such visas need to be enforced, but allowable as a solution to the problem. The bigger problem, of course, is that corporations are against it since it would drive up their costs.

We have those. There are many different work visas too. You might want to look it up before you bloviate like a dumbass.

Only fucking morons think the Democrats are profiting from illegals picking your melons, cleaning hotels and building houses.

STRAWMAN ALERT!!! The real morons are Democrats who declare that we need 11 million illegals to pick strawberries.

Guess who is profiting from those workforces, ExLax?

Do tell mental case.

 

[Truth Detector]

Fuck are you crazy. You will never have peace with all the hate in your Trumpian heart.

Hate monger whining about hate.

 

[Truth Detector]

No. Illegals are used to pick fruit and vegetables and we in America LIKE that. Because they will do it for pennies a day AND we can poison them and their children with horrible pesticides without even having to CARE.

This is nothing more than lie filled bullshit. Why do leftists lie so much? Could it be that their ideology is nothing but one big lie?

The people who are going to be hit hardest by your plans to do "mass deportations" are going to be you and your fellow MAGA supporters.

Another moronic claim from the resident moron.

You guys are already complaining to HIGH HEAVEN about the high costs from the COVID-following inflation.

It was a lot more than the high costs you unhinged mental case.

So if you have to start paying Americans to do what we get illegals to do for much cheaper you are going to be WHINING THE LOUDEST.

Illegals are not picking our fruits and vegetables halfwit. They are migrant farmers who have an H-2A visa. Look things up before you bloviate dumb lies.

And I don't think anyone really wants to see you figure out how stupid you really are. But I guess we don't have a lot of choice now.

Worst case of projection ever. Unhinged mental cases like you have ZERO self-awareness.

 

[Truth Detector]

So you believe a lot of farmers are liberals?

STRAWMAN ALERT!!!

 

[Truth Detector]

In this case, the consequences are, according to you, conservative farmers losing their farms, and grocery prices going up severely?

Delusional. None of your posts ever age well.

 

[Truth Detector]

These far left loons who just lost in a landslide think that they now get a seat at the table.

The American people have rejected these loons and their ideology.

Sit down, shut up and do what you are told.

They aren't very smart.

 

[Daylight63]

This is nothing more than lie filled bullshit. Why do leftists lie so much? Could it be that their ideology is nothing but one big lie?

The saddest part is it ISN'T a lie. It's just not.

It was a lot more than the high costs you unhinged mental case.

Yeah, I know a LOT of you voted for the racism as well. And the promise of "owning the libs". You guys are a pretty solidly developed intellectual movement.

They are migrant farmers who have an H-2A visa. Look things up before you bloviate dumb lies.

"Roughly Half of Hired Crop Farmworkers Lack Legal Immigration Status." (USDA)

 

[Truth Detector]

We never needed to import foreign labor to pick anything.

Silence in the Fields

The U.S. government is allowing farmers to fill thousands of jobs with foreign 'guestworkers.' The conditions are hardly hospitable -- but those who speak out can be sent straight back home.

www.motherjones.com

According to growers, that’s because few apply. “The unemployment rate is at a 30-year low,” says Stan Eury. “It doesn’t take an analyst to show you there’s a labor shortage. Anyone who says there’s not is an absolute idiot.” Farmwork, he adds, “operates at the bottom rung of the job ladder, and in a time of strong employment, those bottom rungs are the first vacated.”


In fact, study after study of the H-2A program concludes that there’s actually a surplus of agricultural labor, not a shortage. “Unemployment and underemployment are endemic among farmworkers,” says one Labor Department report. “Even at the seasonal peak in September, one-third of farmworkers are still not working in U.S. agriculture.” In studies and congressional testimony about the program, the General Accounting Office also dismisses the idea of a labor shortage. “Agricultural employers in most of the United States have had adequate supplies of labor for many years and continue to do so,” the GAO reports.


The agency acknowledges that some regions do experience local shortages, but notes that those might be alleviated “with fairly modest wage increases.” Instead, H-2A enables farmers — from small operators to corporate giants employing more than 600 workers — to effectively circumvent the free market, paying guestworkers as little as $6.39 an hour rather than raising hourly wages to attract U.S. workers. “A lot of farmers say, ‘I advertised for 300 jobs and no one applied,'” says Thom Myers, a farmworker advocate in Raleigh, North Carolina. “But what about the guy who runs a hardware store who has the same argument? What about the guy who runs a restaurant? If this was any other industry, the government would say, ‘Hey, raise your pay until the supply and demand curves cross.'”


Rather than pay market wages, H-2A growers have instead developed a litany of schemes to ward off domestic workers. In Idaho, the Snake River Farmer’s Association urged its members to write backbreaking job descriptions to discourage Americans from applying. “Irrigators or pipe movers is a great job description because no one wants to move pipe,” explains an association handout. Farmers in other states have turned away U.S. residents for being a few minutes late for interviews, or for not knowing the fine points of federal labor law. In North Carolina, the Growers Association says it hires domestic workers after a simple five-minute phone interview — but state officials describe the process as intentionally inefficient and even hostile. “They go out of their way to discourage local workers from seeking employment,” Lee Albritton, a former job-service employee, wrote in a memo to his supervisors. In 1999, the state found jobs on non-H-2A farms for 12,700 domestic workers. By contrast, on H-2A farms, the state found jobs for only seven workers.


To further discourage U.S. workers, growers often refuse to provide migrant crews the same kind of transportation they offer H-2A workers. “Farmers know that unless there’s travel money involved, no large number of domestic workers will get to the job site,” says Greg Schell, an attorney at Florida’s Migrant Farmworker Justice Project. “If they send a bus to the Rio Grande Valley or Belle Glade, Florida, they can get thousands of experienced farmworkers. But without a bus, the job may as well be on Mars.”

 

[Truth Detector]

YES and click your heals together and raise your hand and say Hale Trump.
And don't forget to have your arm band on when you do it.
You got what you wanted and for the life of me I HOPE that the people on the left NEVER get to say we told you so after the shit hits the fan.
We will have to wait and see what happens.

Dunce.