CA passes "fun tax" -f'ing liberal moonbats

[icedancer2theend]

They call this a fine- but lets call it what it is "taxing fun".- absurd doesn't get anymore defined then this.


LOS ANGELES (CBS) — When you head down to the beach for a little fun this summer, county officials want you to leave the pigskin at home.

The Board of Supervisors this week agreed to raise fines to up to

In passing the 37-page ordinance on Tuesday, officials sought to outline responsibilities for law enforcement and other public agencies while also providing clarification on beach-goer activities that could potentially disrupt or even injure the public.

 

[Phyllis Diller]

They have to get all these codes in place so they can bust people for trying to access the beauties of our world without paying their due.

 

[Phyllis Diller]

Here's an idea: lets bail out failed incompetent banks and make up the loss by making it impossible to go to the beach. That seems smart.

 

[Phyllis Diller]

This is like baywatch meets 1984.

 

[Cancel 2018. 3]

sometimes california politicians embarrass me

 

[Bonestorm]

What seems to be the problem? Don't all public beaches have rules and regulations.

By the way, the headline on that article is way off base. Someone didn't bother to read what specific violations can lead to a $1,000 fine. Playing football or frisbee ain't one of them.

 

[cawacko]

A buddy who lives on the beach in LA posted this article yesterday on Facebook all po'd. I'm having difficulty understanding the mindset of the LA Supervisors that passed this. Of course everyone wants the beach to be safe. No family wants to take their kids to the beach and have their kids be in danger. But has there been some recent rash of injuries caused by errant football or frisbee throws that made this necessary legislation? I just don't understand this.

 

[Bonestorm]

A buddy who lives on the beach in LA posted this article yesterday on Facebook all po'd. I'm having difficulty understanding the mindset of the LA Supervisors that passed this. Of course everyone wants the beach to be safe. No family wants to take their kids to the beach and have their kids be in danger. But has there been some recent rash of injuries caused by errant football or frisbee throws that made this necessary legislation? I just don't understand this.

I didn't understand it either. That's why I looked at the ordinance. If you actually read it, you will see that the $1000 fine does not apply to unauthorized long toss. It applies to showing your naughty bits, something not listed in the amended ordinance, swimming when the guards say it is too dangerous to swim, and surfing and cetera in swimming only areas (which is actually quite dangerous).

 

[cawacko]

What seems to be the problem? Don't all public beaches have rules and regulations.

By the way, the headline on that article is way off base. Someone didn't bother to read what specific violations can lead to a $1,000 fine. Playing football or frisbee ain't one of them.

""Specifically, the ordinance frowns upon “any person to cast, toss, throw, kick or roll” anything outside of a beach ball or volleyball on any L.A. beach between Memorial Day and Labor Day.""

Would a football or frisbee not be included in that definition?

http://www.scpr.org/blogs/environme...-l-county-beaches-levy-1000-fine-throwing-fo/

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

What seems to be the problem? Don't all public beaches have rules and regulations.

By the way, the headline on that article is way off base. Someone didn't bother to read what specific violations can lead to a $1,000 fine. Playing football or frisbee ain't one of them.

MUST DEFEND GOVERNMENT INTRUSIONS... MUST DEFEND BIG BROTHER... MUST DEFEND DEMOCRATS...

 

[Bonestorm]

""Specifically, the ordinance frowns upon “any person to cast, toss, throw, kick or roll” anything outside of a beach ball or volleyball on any L.A. beach between Memorial Day and Labor Day.""

Would a football or frisbee not be included in that definition?

http://www.scpr.org/blogs/environme...-l-county-beaches-levy-1000-fine-throwing-fo/

The ordinance does prohibit throwing footballs and the like, except in designated areas, but it doesn't impose a $1,000 fine for violating it. You have to look at the section that imposes the $1,000 fine and read what violations it applies to.

 

[cawacko]

The ordinance does prohibit throwing footballs and the like, except in designated areas, but it doesn't impose a $1,000 fine for violating it. You have to look at the section that imposes the $1,000 fine and read what violations it applies to.

So multiple reporters got this story wrong?

 

[RockX]

 

[Bonestorm]

So multiple reporters got this story wrong?

Yes. Absolutely. Go read the ordinance yourself. Start with section 17.12.150 on pages 15 and 16, which establishes penalties for violations. Subsection B establishes the $1,000 fine and it applies to violations of Sections 17.12.360 (nudity), 17.12.410 (unknown, but not playing football or frisbee), 17.12.44 (swimming when prohibited due to dangerous conditions) and 17.12.480 (surfing and cetera in swimming area). It does not apply to Section 17.12.430 (ball-playing restrictions).


Link:

http://cbsla.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/beach.pdf

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

So multiple reporters got this story wrong?

Dung knows all... even when everyone disagrees with him. According to him, the Great Depression ended in 1933. FDR did not lead us out of the Great Depression. People who claim to have lived during it in the latter 1930's are liars. Historians are incorrect when describing the Great Depression period as lasting until WWII. They are all wrong, because Dung says so.

 

[Bonestorm]

Dung knows all... even when everyone disagrees with him. According to him, the Great Depression ended in 1933. FDR did not lead us out of the Great Depression. People who claim to have lived during it in the latter 1930's are liars. Historians are incorrect when describing the Great Depression period as lasting until WWII. They are all wrong, because Dung says so.

Hey, SF, if you want to fight that one again, there's a thread for it. I'm still awaiting your response:

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...t-Rushmore&highlight=national+bureau+economic


And forgive me if I don't just gulp down anything a journalist writes and have the ability to read the ordinance and understand what it says. My apologies. I explained why they are wrong in a post above. If you could point out what you think is in error, I'd be glad to consider it.

 

[Cancel 2016.2]

Hey, SF, if you want to fight that one again, there's a thread for it. I'm still awaiting your response:

http://www.justplainpolitics.com/sh...t-Rushmore&highlight=national+bureau+economic

Again... you are re-writing history. You are using the technical economic definition and saying, well, the bottom hit in 1933. Thus I will state the Great Depression ended there. That is the joke. The economy was in tatters for a decade. When you have double digit unemployment for A DECADE, for you to proclaim the Depression ended in 1933 is absurd. As I stated, the technical definition based on GDP says the downturn bottomed at that point. But NO historian is going to agree with you. Hence, you are re-writing the history.

And forgive me if I don't just gulp down anything a journalist writes and have the ability to read the ordinance and understand what it says. My apologies. I explained why they are wrong in a post above. If you could point out what you think is in error, I'd be glad to consider it.

Page 14. Section 28 (bottom of page). 17.12.150.

It is unlawful to violate any provision of this chapter, the conditions of any permit or license issued pursuant thereto, or any rule, regulation or policy relating to beaches duly adopted by the board of supervisors or the Director or Fire Chief when properly adopted under his/her delegated authority and any person committing such violation is guilty of an infraction punishable by a fine in accordance with California Government Code Section 25132.

(a) Violation of a county ordinance is a misdemeanor unless
by ordinance it is made an infraction. The violation of a county
ordinance may be prosecuted by county authorities in the name of the
people of the State of California, or redressed by civil action.
(b) Every violation determined to be an infraction is punishable
by (1) a fine not exceeding one hundred dollars ($100) for a first
violation; (2) a fine not exceeding two hundred dollars ($200) for a
second violation of the same ordinance within one year; (3) a fine
not exceeding five hundred dollars ($500) for each additional
violation of the same ordinance within one year.
(c) Notwithstanding any other provision of law, a violation of
local building and safety codes determined to be an infraction is
punishable by (1) a fine not exceeding one hundred dollars ($100) for
a first violation; (2) a fine not exceeding five hundred dollars
($500) for a second violation of the same ordinance within one year;
(3) a fine not exceeding one thousand dollars ($1,000) for each
additional violation of the same ordinance within one year of the
first violation.

Yes, it appears they are wrong on the dollar amount of the fine for the first offense. But it most certainly CAN be a $500 fine if you get caught throwing a football twice or $1000 for a third...

 

[Damocles]

Land of the Free! Home of the BRAVE!

Can't have people playing football on the beach. There outta be a law! Somebody could get hurt!

 

[Bonestorm]

Again... you are re-writing history. You are using the technical economic definition and saying, well, the bottom hit in 1933. Thus I will state the Great Depression ended there. That is the joke. The economy was in tatters for a decade. When you have double digit unemployment for A DECADE, for you to proclaim the Depression ended in 1933 is absurd. As I stated, the technical definition based on GDP says the downturn bottomed at that point. But NO historian is going to agree with you. Hence, you are re-writing the history.

There's a thread for this argument. Post there. Otherwise, I'm not going to engage you.

Yes, it appears they are wrong on the dollar amount of the fine for the first offense. But it most certainly CAN be a $500 fine if you get caught throwing a football twice or $1000 for a third...

It's OK to say that I'm right, SF. And I don't think this is a "building and safety code" so the maximum fines for a second and third offense are $200 and $500, respectively. But I'm guessing that the most punishment anyone would receive for playing football outside the designated area is a stern whistle from the guards.

 

[Mott the Hoople]

Yes. Absolutely. Go read the ordinance yourself. Start with section 17.12.150 on pages 15 and 16, which establishes penalties for violations. Subsection B establishes the $1,000 fine and it applies to violations of Sections 17.12.360 (nudity), 17.12.410 (unknown, but not playing football or frisbee), 17.12.44 (swimming when prohibited due to dangerous conditions) and 17.12.480 (surfing and cetera in swimming area). It does not apply to Section 17.12.430 (ball-playing restrictions).


Link:

http://cbsla.files.wordpress.com/2012/02/beach.pdf

Dude....think about what you've just done. You're asking a conservative USC grad to read. Yea, right! Like that's going to happen.