California firefighters use 6,000 gallons of water to put out "spontaneous" Tesla car

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ExcessLies gives a pathetic rebuttal. When word processors first hit the market, there were millions more typewriters.

EVs are so superior to gas cars, the EV transition will occur faster than anyone expects.

It is not superior to require such a long time to refuel/recharge.
It is not superior to be a heavier car with less useful load capacity.
It is not superior to be more expensive.
It is not superior to require specialized maintenance and dealer only maintenance.
It is not superior to catch fire when parked.
It is not superior to use twice as much energy to travel the same distance, like EVs do.
It is not superior to use government incentives (a theft) or government mandates (tyranny) to get people to buy an EV (fascism).

The so-called 'EV transition' is NOT occurring, no matter how many times you print your made up numbers (argument from randU fallacy).

Less than 1% of the cars on the road are EVs.

 

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AND HOW MANY GOVERNMENTS DON'T HAVE MANDATES?
I bet they outnumber countries with mandates 100:1
And Those countries are buying EVs too.

What's the matter, TA ButtHurt? Do you work at a Jiffy Lube and you're afraid you'll get laid off when there's no more ICE cars?

Evasion.
Strawman fallacies.

 

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AND I BET YOU ALSO BELIEVE TRUMP WON THE 2020 ELECTION

I rest my case, TA ButtHurt.

Pivot fallacy. There was no election in 2020.

 

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Nope. They are common and do not blow up. https://electrek.co/2022/01/12/gove...e-significantly-more-prone-to-fires-than-evs/ You are living in a vacuum.

EVs burn like a firework, just sitting there parked. It's a fairly common problem.

Special pleading fallacy.

 

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Wrong.
In 1915 37% of automobiles and trucks were electric.
They used Edison batteries which were invented by Thomas Edison.

Edison batteries, also known as iron-nickel batteries and were made at the Edison factory until 1973, when the factory was moved to China as a result of the first neo-con
president opening China to trade, which was sold to the public as expanding our markets.

Edison batteries are unique due to the fact that the batteries never wear out, the electrolyte needs to be replenished (with water).

The Baker Electric in Jay Leno's collection is a perfect example.

It still drives, on the original batteries.

Edison batteries were also used in boats, submarines and for remote uses such as track switches etc.

They are still made to this day in China, Russia, and other countries and can be readily purchased over the internet.

The death of the early use of electrics was the direct result of corruption instigated by Standard Oil Company.

The electrolyte in these batteries is potassium hydroxide. The water used to replenish them must be distilled water.
Yes...these batteries have an incredibly long lifespan. You can find them in some forklifts, other indoor mobile machinery, and were popular with railroads as signaling power sources and remote switch power sources (today line power provides most of that).

It wasn't corruption that killed the EV. It was the better gasoline car, which was lighter and offered better performance. It was so good it beat out the external combustion engines around at the time as well (at least for cars).

 

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How many gallons does it take to put out the fire in a ICE vehicle an opposed to an EV.

Flaming Tesla has to be buried in pit to extinguish battery fire.

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/tesla-fire-car-rancho-cordova-b2107186.html

Fires in ICE vehicles are usually the result of poor maintenance or poor engineering of the fuel system. Sometimes it happens as the result of a wreck.
It's pretty rate these days, considering the percentage of them that catch fire, vs the percentage of EVs that catch fire.
ICE vehicles do just catch fire by sitting there parked, either (there were a couple of notable cases, but that's it).

Firefighters are well equipped to deal with a class B fire. They don't use water. They use foam.

 

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Wouldn't it have been easier to dump a truckload of sand on it then when the fire was out scoop up the whole mess and dump it in a landfill or maybe the ocean?

Nah. Remove the now-dead battery pack (rudely if you want), put it in the landfill, and recycle the rest of the car. Sand will put the fire out more quickly though! After a fire like that, the batteries are garbage. They can no longer be recycled.

 

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Don't play coy. It's quite childish. You know exactly what question:
AND I BET YOU ALSO BELIEVE TRUMP WON THE 2020 ELECTION

Everybody knows why you're evading the question. Because it proves how gullible and naive you are which is why you swallow all the EV bullshit, too.
No answer will speak volumes.

It's irrelevant to the discussion, but the answer is no, I don't believe Trump won. Now, address the issue rather than continuing to use evasions, red herrings, and ad hominem.

 

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Well, do you? Why are you reluctant to answer?

He does not have to answer for your red herring.

 

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So why are the people in the other 3/4 countries with no mandates buying EVs?

They aren't.

Just a few are. Those that figure they are 'saving the planet' or something.

 

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Bullshit. You just made that up, didn't you.

Nope. It's the actual numbers of cars on the road. Observing any freeway will show it. Less than 1% of the cars on the road are EVs.

 

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Don't play coy. It's quite childish. You know exactly what question:
AND I BET YOU ALSO BELIEVE TRUMP WON THE 2020 ELECTION

Everybody knows why you're evading the question. Because it proves how gullible and naive you are which is why you swallow all the EV bullshit, too.
No answer will speak volumes.

Inversion fallacy. The gullibility is YOURS. You'll believe all kinds of tripe religious nuts from the Church of Global Warming and the Church of Green telling you.
The faulted 2020 'election' is not the subject here. Pivot fallacy.

 

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Why would it go up?

Heh. The actuarial information of any insurance company is secret.
It is, however, gambling. The bet is set on what they figure is the probability of paying for a loss vs the revenue from premiums, with themselves, of course, getting the edge.

With the high cost of these cars, and the high cost of maintenance, and with the high cost of these batteries, and the high risk of battery fires, I can see why they are raising premiums.

 

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The only thing negative about EVs is they'll probably put Jiffy Lube and AAMCO out of business within 10 years.
Oh well. The hand-held calculator put the slide-rule companies out of business. It's simple Economic Natural Selection taking place. Sorry MAGA.

Nope. You still need lubrication and you still need transmission work. EVs have both.
MAGA isn't a person.
Darwin's theory of natural selection has been falsified. It also had nothing to do with the economy.
Companies still sell slide rules. I still use mine from time to time. It doesn't need batteries.

 

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The electrolyte in these batteries is potassium hydroxide. The water used to replenish them must be distilled water.
Yes...these batteries have an incredibly long lifespan. You can find them in some forklifts, other indoor mobile machinery, and were popular with railroads as signaling power sources and remote switch power sources (today line power provides most of that).

It wasn't corruption that killed the EV. It was the better gasoline car, which was lighter and offered better performance. It was so good it beat out the external combustion engines around at the time as well (at least for cars).

Thanks, I didn't know I needed to give their entire chemistry to not be corrected but so be it.

Are you also aware that they outgas pure hydrogen?

 

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In the preWOKE days the problem was that people who knew only books had no understanding of how the physical world works.... in the PostWOKE days the problem is that they have been indoctrinated into believing that they can override the physical world with their fantasies and solidarity.

The WOKE are FantasyLand Creatures.

The wake up will be brutal.

There are plenty of good books on theories of science, how they came to be, and how they describe a bit of the physical world.

 

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Thanks, I didn't know I needed to give their entire chemistry to not be corrected but so be it.

Are you also aware that they outgas pure hydrogen?

So do lead-acid cells. So?

 

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So do lead-acid cells. So?

The latest research on Edison batteries is centered on their ability to produce hydrogen.////////////////

 

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That last is not the reason electrics lost in the market. It was the same reason(s) people don't want them today. They were more expensive than the ICE alternative. The ICE vehicle required minutes to fill up versus hours to recharge. Recharging stations were rare in most places while gasoline was portable. They were also DC powered and once Edison lost out to Westinghouse / Tesla (and then General Electric) who were using the more practical AC power systems, battery vehicles lost even more ground.

All of that occurred without government interference in the marketplace. Standard Oil had little or nothing to do with it.

Standard Oil persuaded Henry Ford to abandon Edison.

I said nothing about GovCo corruption.

 

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I was talking about the first generation of Electric vehicles.

The first one came as early as 1846.

So, I was not wrong.

My apologies, you were not wrong, you were unclear.