Campaign 08, The way I see it

[klaatu]

Ive stayed away from the forums for several months... making one brief return under another moniker. This has helped me clear my head and focus on the candidates rather than other peoples opinions.

Unless Bush does something really assinine... like attack Iran .. the REPUBLICANS stand a good chance of retaining the White House. Here's why:

Democrats will Implode...

Like the Republicans... the Dems have 3 serious candidates; that being Clinton, Obama and Edwards. All 3 candidates have serious flaws and campainging on fear rather than Idea's. 2 of these 3 are total light weights.
Flaws... Clinton is divisive rather than decisive... , her negatives are still way to high to win the general...and she is a horrible debater..which will ruin her come the Generals. Her Health Care Plan is going to be ripped to shreds. Everything that comes out of her mouth is Government Expansion. She'll get beat up when she attempts to position her self as an Anti War candidate.

Clinton will win the primary's...she is way too far ahead and has mountains of money. Obama is too darn inexperienced and as crunch time nears its becoming more and more obvious. He too is proposing a ridiculous National Health Care Plan.... and other Government Expansions. Playing into the Scare tactic vote. Along with Edwards.... these two are trying to keep up with Hillary in the buy the vote scheme ... a tactic that his killed the Democrats in past Presidential Campaigns.

The Dems have once again gone back to the old liberal hand book.... Health Care and the Bleak Outlook of the Future... with no rational (original idea's) to bring to the table of debate.

Once Hillary wins the primaries...she will have to square off agianst Romney or Giuliani .... either one of these two cats will destroy her in a one on one debate.... one is a financial genius...the other a wizard in Government law. Both are articulate and play well in front of the camera.

When Hillary wins the primaries... I look for her to nab General Clark as her running mate... this will move her to the center and give her a shot at Republican votes.

I believe Thompson is in the race to become the running mate of the eventual winner.

 

[blackascoal]

WOW, that was as flawed an analysis as I have ever read.

Republicans have no hope of winning the White House in '08 .. and even they know it.

 

[Cypress]

Welcome back klatuu.

I think you've bought into the pundit-class narrative about Obama being too "inexperienced". I notice you failed to apply the same standard to Romney.

Romney is a one term governor from a small state. Obama has been been an elected public official for over ten years - as both a state senator and a U.S. senator. More experience than Romney. In terms of foreign policy, Obama has sat on both the Homeland security, and foreign relations Senate committees. Romney has ZERO foreign policy credentials.

Does obama make mistakes? Yes. None worse than Romney, who is constantly flip flopping on his positions, and making inane statements about "checking with his lawyers" before he can take military action against Iran.

 

[Agnosticus_Caesar]

Let's not forget that Obama was also Harvard Law Review President.

It would be nice to have a US President who know The Constitution.

 

[Agnosticus_Caesar]

He taught Constitutional Law.

 

[klaatu]

Welcome back klatuu.

I think you've bought into the pundit-class narrative about Obama being too "inexperienced". I notice you failed to apply the same standard to Romney.

Romney is a one term governor from a small state. Obama has been been an elected public official for over ten years - as both a state senator and a U.S. senator. More experience than Romney. In terms of foreign policy, Obama has sat on both the Homeland security, and foreign relations Senate committees. Romney has ZERO foreign policy credentials.

Does obama make mistakes? Yes. None worse than Romney, who is constantly flip flopping on his positions, and making inane statements about "checking with his lawyers" before he can take military action against Iran.

Before becoming Governor of Massachusetts, Romney enjoyed enormous success as a private citizen. A venture capitalist ....turning failing businesses into profit making machines. The guy is a financial wizard. If you combine his overall life achievements... He has probably the most impressive Resume of all the candidates.

Obama's ten years as a State and US Senator pales in comparison.

AS far as Constitutional Law... I believe Rudy knows a little bit about that.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Ive stayed away from the forums for several months... making one brief return under another moniker. This has helped me clear my head and focus on the candidates rather than other peoples opinions.

Unless Bush does something really assinine... like attack Iran .. the REPUBLICANS stand a good chance of retaining the White House. Here's why:

Democrats will Implode...

Like the Republicans... the Dems have 3 serious candidates; that being Clinton, Obama and Edwards. All 3 candidates have serious flaws and campainging on fear rather than Idea's. 2 of these 3 are total light weights.
Flaws... Clinton is divisive rather than decisive... , her negatives are still way to high to win the general...and she is a horrible debater..which will ruin her come the Generals. Her Health Care Plan is going to be ripped to shreds. Everything that comes out of her mouth is Government Expansion. She'll get beat up when she attempts to position her self as an Anti War candidate.

Clinton will win the primary's...she is way too far ahead and has mountains of money. Obama is too darn inexperienced and as crunch time nears its becoming more and more obvious. He too is proposing a ridiculous National Health Care Plan.... and other Government Expansions. Playing into the Scare tactic vote. Along with Edwards.... these two are trying to keep up with Hillary in the buy the vote scheme ... a tactic that his killed the Democrats in past Presidential Campaigns.

The Dems have once again gone back to the old liberal hand book.... Health Care and the Bleak Outlook of the Future... with no rational (original idea's) to bring to the table of debate.

Once Hillary wins the primaries...she will have to square off agianst Romney or Giuliani .... either one of these two cats will destroy her in a one on one debate.... one is a financial genius...the other a wizard in Government law. Both are articulate and play well in front of the camera.

When Hillary wins the primaries... I look for her to nab General Clark as her running mate... this will move her to the center and give her a shot at Republican votes.

I believe Thompson is in the race to become the running mate of the eventual winner.

Yeah, Klat, just continue to pat yourself and your conservative buddies on the back. Productive.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

Massachusettes is a small sate, lol? Tell that to it's 10 million inhabitant...

 

[Cancel7]

Ive stayed away from the forums for several months... making one brief return under another moniker. This has helped me clear my head and focus on the candidates rather than other peoples opinions.

Unless Bush does something really assinine... like attack Iran .. the REPUBLICANS stand a good chance of retaining the White House. Here's why:

Democrats will Implode...

Like the Republicans... the Dems have 3 serious candidates; that being Clinton, Obama and Edwards. All 3 candidates have serious flaws and campainging on fear rather than Idea's. 2 of these 3 are total light weights.
Flaws... Clinton is divisive rather than decisive... , her negatives are still way to high to win the general...and she is a horrible debater..which will ruin her come the Generals. Her Health Care Plan is going to be ripped to shreds. Everything that comes out of her mouth is Government Expansion. She'll get beat up when she attempts to position her self as an Anti War candidate.

Clinton will win the primary's...she is way too far ahead and has mountains of money. Obama is too darn inexperienced and as crunch time nears its becoming more and more obvious. He too is proposing a ridiculous National Health Care Plan.... and other Government Expansions. Playing into the Scare tactic vote. Along with Edwards.... these two are trying to keep up with Hillary in the buy the vote scheme ... a tactic that his killed the Democrats in past Presidential Campaigns.

The Dems have once again gone back to the old liberal hand book.... Health Care and the Bleak Outlook of the Future... with no rational (original idea's) to bring to the table of debate.

Once Hillary wins the primaries...she will have to square off agianst Romney or Giuliani .... either one of these two cats will destroy her in a one on one debate.... one is a financial genius...the other a wizard in Government law. Both are articulate and play well in front of the camera.

When Hillary wins the primaries... I look for her to nab General Clark as her running mate... this will move her to the center and give her a shot at Republican votes.

I believe Thompson is in the race to become the running mate of the eventual winner.

Hmmm. Didn't you make this same, grave, announcement (serious voice; the republicans will keep the white house in 08) about a year or so ago?

Have you checked polls on how the american people currently (not ten years ago Klaatu, but today) view our health care "system"?

Hillary has weak spots, but first of all, contrary to what she has convinced YOU of...she is not the nominee yet.

And secondly - you have quite glossed over Rudy's shortcomings.

And he's got plenty.

 

[Cypress]

Before becoming Governor of Massachusetts, Romney enjoyed enormous success as a private citizen. A venture capitalist ....turning failing businesses into profit making machines. The guy is a financial wizard. If you combine his overall life achievements... He has probably the most impressive Resume of all the candidates.

Obama's ten years as a State and US Senator pales in comparison.

AS far as Constitutional Law... I believe Rudy knows a little bit about that.

In other words he doesn't have more "experience" than obama. He just got the type of experience you prefer.

Romney was an investment banker, and then a one term governor of massachusets.

Obama spent years as a corporate lawyer, a civil rights lawyer, a community organizer, and then eleven years as a State and U.S. senator.


I frankly think you've fallen for the punditry-class talking points about Obama's alleged "inexperience"

 

[klaatu]

Hmmm. Didn't you make this same, grave, announcement (serious voice; the republicans will keep the white house in 08) about a year or so ago?

Have you checked polls on how the american people currently (not ten years ago Klaatu, but today) view our health care "system"?

Hillary has weak spots, but first of all, contrary to what she has convinced YOU of...she is not the nominee yet.

And secondly - you have quite glossed over Rudy's shortcomings.

And he's got plenty.

I dont believe the majority of Americans will approve of moving our Health Care System into the direction of a Socialistic Nightmare.

If you want to learn how to fix the Health Care System in this country ...if you have the guts to open your mind and investigate a real solution click here:

http://www.medicalsavings.org/feature1.asp

 

[klaatu]

In other words he doesn't have more "experience" than obama. He just got the type of experience you prefer.

Romney was an investment banker, and then a one term governor of massachusets.

Obama spent years as a corporate lawyer, a civil rights lawyer, a community organizer, and then eleven years as a State and U.S. senator.


I frankly think you've fallen for the punditry-class talking points about Obama's alleged "inexperience"

Cypress.. why is it you can never reply to someone without accusing them of parroting a talking head. Maybe its because you yourself spend the majority of your day listening to Randi Rhodes and the Air Amerika?

As far as Romney..yeah I know...I believe I said that.

 

[OrnotBitwise]

Klaatu, the majority of Americans know that the health insurance system is completely broken. It's disingenuous, at least, to portray fixing that as some sort of "socialized medicine."

 

[klaatu]

Klaatu, the majority of Americans know that the health insurance system is completely broken. It's disingenuous, at least, to portray fixing that as some sort of "socialized medicine."

Oh I agree..it is broken... Im talking about the solutions put forth (by the Dems). Allowing the Government to become the Administrator and/or Insurer is Socialism...to the umpteenth degree.

Using Government to investigate, Reasearch, Develop and find real solutions without becoming US Health Care...is the way to go...and the link I provided outlines a brilliant plan.

So ..Im not being disingenuous... I just dont trust the plans outlined by Hillary and the rest of the bunch....

 

[Cypress]

Cypress.. why is it you can never reply to someone without accusing them of parroting a talking head. Maybe its because you yourself spend the majority of your day listening to Randi Rhodes and the Air Amerika?

As far as Romney..yeah I know...I believe I said that.

I said nothing about you being a parrot.

Tons of people have bought the line of Obama's alleged "inexperience". Its an MSM narrative that is prevalent among plenty of people, including smart ones. I'm suggesting that you've bought into it.

As I demonstrated, Obama has at least as much relevant "experience" as one- term governor Romney. And certainly Obama has more foreign policy credentials than Mitt, having served on the two most prominent foreign policy and national security committees in the US government.

Obama just doesn't have the type of experience you prefer. Its clear that you're enamored with Romney's gig as an investment banker.

As for another post, where you point out Edwards experience - I haven't made a premium of experience like you have. I put more emphasis on judgement, values, and policy solutions. But, even from the experience angle, if you're going to give Mitt props for years of experience in private industry, likewise you'd have to do the same for Edwards. Edwards ran his own company, and became one of the top laywers in the country: certainly a testment to a man that is driven, ambitious, and with an ability to succeed at the highest levels of his chosen profession.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

I dont believe the majority of Americans will approve of moving our Health Care System into the direction of a Socialistic Nightmare.

If you want to learn how to fix the Health Care System in this country ...if you have the guts to open your mind and investigate a real solution click here:

http://www.medicalsavings.org/feature1.asp

I believe in national healthcare because it will cost us half as much as what we are currently paying. We don't have to raise taxes. The poor will finally be able to get healthcare, rather than the money going into the pockets of rich insurance CEO's. And finally - it will no require waiting lists.

 

[OrnotBitwise]

Oh I agree..it is broken... Im talking about the solutions put forth (by the Dems). Allowing the Government to become the Administrator and/or Insurer is Socialism...to the umpteenth degree.

Using Government to investigate, Reasearch, Develop and find real solutions without becoming US Health Care...is the way to go...and the link I provided outlines a brilliant plan.

So ..Im not being disingenuous... I just dont trust the plans outlined by Hillary and the rest of the bunch....

I, on the other hand, do not trust Business to ever provide ethical and just health insurance. Ever. No matter how much regulation or tax incentives we may ply them with.

I believe that the public sector -- government -- is the only solution, in this instance. The instance being health coverage, not health care, as such. Hospitals and physicians can and probably should remain private, competing with one another for patronage. It's just the health insurance that can never be ethically provided on a for-profit basis.

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

I don't know why those on the right are obsessed with the idea that medical prices are so high because people go to the doctor to often. This is ridiculous. People don't go to the doctor OFTEN ENOUGH. And nations like France, where anyone can schedule a same-day appoitment at any time for free, have no problems with this. The cost as miniscule. Placing restrictions on doctors consultations as a solution is RIDICULOUS. No one get the jillies out of going in and wasting their time at the doctors office. In that way it is naturally limited. But everyone needs healthcare, and everyone needs it in roughly equal amounts besides the chronically sick. Why don't we get some REAL solutions?

 

[FUCK THE POLICE]

I, on the other hand, do not trust Business to ever provide ethical and just health insurance. Ever. No matter how much regulation or tax incentives we may ply them with.

I believe that the public sector -- government -- is the only solution, in this instance. The instance being health coverage, not health care, as such. Hospitals and physicians can and probably should remain private, competing with one another for patronage. It's just the health insurance that can never be ethically provided on a for-profit basis.

Exactly, Ornot. Doctors should be private, and should be paid by the government per consultation, like in France. Those who do better may get more visits, but lets be honest, for a simple checkup you aren't going to drive 100 miles to get to an excellent doctor. Most of the time there is very little competition in the medical industry.

 

[WC Grouch]

Let's not forget that Obama was also Harvard Law Review President.

It would be nice to have a US President who know The Constitution.

Paul and Obama are the only candidates who know the Constitution. I'm a Paul supporter but even I realize that Obama will be our next president.