Can the country be unified?

I'm coming at 'safe spaces' more from the perspective that they exist to 'protect' students from ideas and viewpoints they don't want to hear. It's an ideological safe space on several different levels. And to me at least that defeats the purpose of what college is all about, which is hearing diverse viewpoints and having your positions challenged. It makes for a more intolerant, extreme and segregated society when this is already occurring in Universities.

And you hear from more conservative leaning facility members of top Universities discuss the response from students who don't handle well hearing ideas in the classroom that challenge their beliefs and how their administrations aren't always supportive of them. I'm not saying this from a 'woah is them' perspective but rather why people hold a certain disdain for what's happening on campuses.

That's why I said "safe space" was not a negative term before conservative media ridiculed it to death. What you described is not definitionally a safe space. It's a misappropriated term to criticize perceived group think on college campuses, but that's not what it means.

"Some critics suggest that safe spaces are a direct threat to free speech, foster groupthink, and limit the flow of ideas. Others accuse college students of being coddled 'snowflakes' who seek protection from ideas that make them uncomfortable.

"What unites most anti-safe space stances is that they focus almost exclusively on safe spaces in the context of college campuses and free speech. Because of this, it’s easy to forget that the term 'safe space' is actually quite broad and encompasses a variety of different meanings.

"On college campuses, a 'safe space' is usually one of two things. Classrooms can be designated as academic safe spaces, meaning that students are encouraged to take risks and engage in intellectual discussions about topics that may feel uncomfortable. In this type of safe space, free speech is the goal. The term 'safe space' is also used to describe groups on college campuses that seek to provide respect and emotional security, often for individuals from historically marginalized groups."

https://www.healthline.com/health/mental-health/safe-spaces-college#1

It's not just liberal students who object to conservative messages. It works the other way around too. CU-Boulder is a notoriously liberal and very large institution. One of my undergraduate degrees is in political science, so we had a lot of heated discussions in rooms filled with hundreds of people. A lot of those discussions were led by left-leaning professors and instructors. The conservative students, although almost always outnumbered, often had no problem throwing a fit about dissenting views.
 
Never heard of Pizzagate, huh? How about QAnon?

Nope. And I have a master in theology, I also do not assume Trump is a Christian. Certainly the nut choir of spiritual advisors are not genuine students of scripture.

My only hope is for prosperity to continue via capitalism in America. I do not believe Biden got 70 million votes. That’s a good one tho, amusing.

Why fear an inspection of the 2020 voting process? It will only favor future confidences. Relax, there’s still plenty of time.


Blessings
 
Get one case of Democratic gerrymandering Diesel


I can’t figure out why you refuse to back your claims with facts

May I? I like you both, and I'm really glad you're back, but you are wrong on this one. Both (D)s and (R)s have gerrymandered. That being said, it is far worse now due to the influence of ALEC. Their stated goal was to gain (R) majorities at the state and local level expressly to enable them to gerrymander and put more (R)s in Congress. So in the last 20 years, they've done a bang-up job of it. And *that* being said, here is one district in Maryland that the (D)s gerrymandered. It was the subject of a recent SCOTUS decision.

"The 6th District shared center stage in the Supreme Court decision that federal courts have no role in settling claims of partisan gerrymandering. Democrats conceded their explicit goal was to move enough voters around to dilute GOP voting power and defeat the incumbent Republican congressman. As the definition of gerrymandering is to draw lines to give the people in power strategic advantage, and the Democrats admitted doing so, this is clearly one of the country's most gerrymandered districts."

Source, which contains other examples: https://thefulcrum.us/worst-gerrymandering-districts-example/6-suburban-houston
 
"On college campuses, a 'safe space' is usually one of two things. Classrooms can be designated as academic safe spaces, meaning that students are encouraged to take risks and engage in intellectual discussions about topics that may feel uncomfortable. In this type of safe space, free speech is the goal. The term 'safe space' is also used to describe groups on college campuses that seek to provide respect and emotional security, often for individuals from historically marginalized groups."

And this is exactly what my experience has been as a mature college student. My language teacher, in particular, wants to challenge students to think differently than they are used to, but he also strives to provide the environment -- safe space -- where the students feel that it's okay to discuss difficult things like being a two-spirit (LGBTQ) person, or having been abused in some way in the past, or having experienced racism or other forms of bullying. I have heard fellow students say openly that they were brought up Christian and think that being gay is a sin and is wrong, and no one attacked them for it. That's what higher education is for, in part -- get you out of your comfort box and stretch you, let you meet new people, new ideas, new ways of seeing the world.
 
May I? I like you both, and I'm really glad you're back, but you are wrong on this one. Both (D)s and (R)s have gerrymandered. That being said, it is far worse now due to the influence of ALEC. Their stated goal was to gain (R) majorities at the state and local level expressly to enable them to gerrymander and put more (R)s in Congress. So in the last 20 years, they've done a bang-up job of it. And *that* being said, here is one district in Maryland that the (D)s gerrymandered. It was the subject of a recent SCOTUS decision.

"The 6th District shared center stage in the Supreme Court decision that federal courts have no role in settling claims of partisan gerrymandering. Democrats conceded their explicit goal was to move enough voters around to dilute GOP voting power and defeat the incumbent Republican congressman. As the definition of gerrymandering is to draw lines to give the people in power strategic advantage, and the Democrats admitted doing so, this is clearly one of the country's most gerrymandered districts."

Source, which contains other examples: https://thefulcrum.us/worst-gerrymandering-districts-example/6-suburban-houston

Thanks. All of which points out that the situation won't be fixed by political party tit-for-tat or finger pointing. They'll have to either fix it together or it won't be fixed at all.
 
Thanks. All of which points out that the situation won't be fixed by political party tit-for-tat or finger pointing. They'll have to either fix it together or it won't be fixed at all.

And it needs to be fixed. Michigan voters a couple years ago passed a measure creating an independent citizens commission to oversee redistricting. More states should do this. I wonder though how many red states would even be interested.

https://www.michigan.gov/sos/0,4670,7-127-1633_91141---,00.html
 
That's why I said "safe space" was not a negative term before conservative media ridiculed it to death. What you described is not definitionally a safe space. It's a misappropriated term to criticize perceived group think on college campuses, but that's not what it means.

"Some critics suggest that safe spaces are a direct threat to free speech, foster groupthink, and limit the flow of ideas. Others accuse college students of being coddled 'snowflakes' who seek protection from ideas that make them uncomfortable.

"What unites most anti-safe space stances is that they focus almost exclusively on safe spaces in the context of college campuses and free speech. Because of this, it’s easy to forget that the term 'safe space' is actually quite broad and encompasses a variety of different meanings.

"On college campuses, a 'safe space' is usually one of two things. Classrooms can be designated as academic safe spaces, meaning that students are encouraged to take risks and engage in intellectual discussions about topics that may feel uncomfortable. In this type of safe space, free speech is the goal. The term 'safe space' is also used to describe groups on college campuses that seek to provide respect and emotional security, often for individuals from historically marginalized groups."

https://www.healthline.com/health/mental-health/safe-spaces-college#1

It's not just liberal students who object to conservative messages. It works the other way around too. CU-Boulder is a notoriously liberal and very large institution. One of my undergraduate degrees is in political science, so we had a lot of heated discussions in rooms filled with hundreds of people. A lot of those discussions were led by left-leaning professors and instructors. The conservative students, although almost always outnumbered, often had no problem throwing a fit about dissenting views.

Sure, there are multiple ways safe spaces can be used. Ideology is just one of them. (and I'm familiar with CU, my sister went there. Always had a great time when I visited her and this was back when you still had a strong football program. Very popular school with Californians.) But to go back to your original point of why there are people on the right who hold the attitudes they do towards Universities its because they have become more hostile to conservative viewpoints and have become more illiberal.

And stating the obvious holding conservative viewpoints doesn't mean you can't be, or shouldn't be, challenged over them. But as we briefly discussed conservative voices do get shut and shouted down on campuses there days (and more than just crazies like Ann Coulter).

I am very pro-education. I'm a proud Trojan. Being passionate about education I read probably more than I should about the going ons on college campuses and the 'free speech movement' is not alive and well in many places.
 
Nope. And I have a master in theology, I also do not assume Trump is a Christian. Certainly the nut choir of spiritual advisors are not genuine students of scripture.

My only hope is for prosperity to continue via capitalism in America. I do not believe Biden got 70 million votes. That’s a good one tho, amusing.

Why fear an inspection of the 2020 voting process? It will only favor future confidences. Relax, there’s still plenty of time.


Blessings

I have all the time in the world. What you and the psychopaths you cavort with can't do is provide one single granule of evidence that there was any fraud. You're a liar, which I assume contradicts your theological education. You should be better.
 
And it needs to be fixed. Michigan voters a couple years ago passed a measure creating an independent citizens commission to oversee redistricting. More states should do this. I wonder though how many red states would even be interested.

https://www.michigan.gov/sos/0,4670,7-127-1633_91141---,00.html

Agreed. This past week I saw Biden has put immigration reform on his 100 day agenda. I hope it gets passed because the nation needs it.

I don't know how many red or blue states would be interested. I doubt either side would accept a complete makeover.
 
I have all the time in the world. What you and the psychopaths you cavort with can't do is provide one single granule of evidence that there was any fraud. You're a liar, which I assume contradicts your theological education. You should be better.

POE
 
I didn't say it upsets me. It's just bizarre that someone would spend so much time typing posts to a person they know doesn't read them and won't respond to them. As I already said, they're thirsty.

they post as much or more for the rest of us than they do for you.......when I point at something stupid that someone has posted and say "Hey look! Something stupid!", I'm not doing it for your benefit......I am doing it to bring entertainment to those who look for the stupid things people post........I appreciate it when others do the same.......
 
Criticized by moderates and pressured by their base, liberals fight for a voice

I take McConnell at his word. I understand he said that he will make it clear who he’s prepared to support, not support, and that’s a negotiation that I’m sure we’ll have,” Biden said this month, speaking about Cabinet picks.

Many on the left see that as a naive position, particularly in the wake of many congressional Republicans refusing to even acknowledge that Biden won the election, as Trump continues to refuse to concede. They fear such thinking by Biden will result in agreements that will be more favorable to Republicans. And they’re cognizant that many campaign promises can go unrealized once the tough realities of governing set in.


https://www.washingtonpost.com/poli...a05bfe-2ba5-11eb-92b7-6ef17b3fe3b4_story.html
 
I have all the time in the world. What you and the psychopaths you cavort with can't do is provide one single granule of evidence that there was any fraud. You're a liar, which I assume contradicts your theological education. You should be better.

Biden didn’t win anything. Come on man. You saw his little get togethers. So gullible


Blessings
 
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