Can the country be unified?

[Sailor]

It was only 15 or 20 years ago that the fundies finally gave up on saying Women should not work out of the home.

That would be completely wrong. Then again, have you ever been right? https://www.bls.gov/spotlight/2017/women-in-the-workforce-before-during-and-after-the-great-recession/pdf/women-in-the-workforce-before-during-and-after-the-great-recession.pdf

Even has lots of graphs so you can kind of follow along.

 

[Into the Night]

It can.

But the problem is that too many Americans do not believe in democracy.

That is the problem. You cannot unify a nation if a large minority does not even want a democracy.

No. I abhor democracies. They are an unstable form of government. I support republics. That is the only form of government that supports capitalism and liberty.
You do not believe in a democracy or a republic. You are supporting an oligarchy in the process of implementing fascism.

 

[Into the Night]

The Enlightenment in Europe was about overthrowing the power of the Church. Not to make religion illegal but to make it secondary to the authority of the political state.

Nope. You are describing the Dark Ages. It was only in the Renaissance that people begin to observe Christianity again. You are denying history again.

 

[Into the Night]

Lets hope that the fundamentalist Christians die off, and don't get replaced.

Fundamentalism is a fallacy, regardless of the religion. It is someone attempting to prove a circular argument either True or False, which is the Circular Argument fallacy.

The circular argument by itself is not the fallacy. Attempting to prove a circular argument True or False is the fallacy. This is what a fundamentalist does.
The other name for the circular argument is 'faith'. It is also known as the Argument of Faith.

There are religions that are also inherently fundamentalist in nature, including the Church of No God, the Church of Global Warming, the Church of Covid, the Church of Evolution, the Church of the Big Bang, the Church of Creation, the Church of Abiogenesis, and of course, the Church of Karl Marx.

There are fundamentalist in every religion. They all make the same fallacy.

 

[Into the Night]

Fundamental Christians tend to be older and atheists tend to be younger

I know exactly two atheists. They are both older.
The Church of No God has members from all ages.
The Churches of Christianity has members from all ages. Fundamentalists from both the Church of No God and the Churches of Christ are of all ages.

 

[Into the Night]

And that's a sort of philosophy our country is founded on but has never really totally been followed

No. Neither States nor the United States was founded on any such principle.
States had state religions. It was and still is legal for them to do so, if it is in their constitutions to do so. Currently, no State has a state religion authorized in their constitution.
The United States, when founded by the States, was not given authority to interfere with States in this matter, or to interfere with anyone's belief, or to create a state religion (which would probably be different than a State's state religion).

 

[Into the Night]

Because we never actually had an Enlightenment.

The period known as the Renaissance is generally considered the 'Age of Enlightenment'. Yes. It happened.

 

[Into the Night]

Stop this. You are a troll.

You don't get to order people around. You are not the king. You obviously don't know what 'troll' means either.

 

[Into the Night]

Older atheists often become believers adding to the disparity between the two groups.

https://news.uchicago.edu/story/belief-god-rises-age-even-atheist-nations

From the article...


It’s an older article but the truth seems to remain constant. That as unbelievers age, many more of them become believers than the other way around. It is something I constantly research.

Believers in the Church of No God are not atheists. They are theists.

 

[Into the Night]

As you get old you fear death.

No. I do not fear death.

 

[Into the Night]

I have no doubt that is one reason for the numbers.

Perhaps. The Church of No God has no answer for the event of death. In that religion, it is simply left as a void.

 

[Into the Night]

That would be completely wrong. Then again, have you ever been right? https://www.bls.gov/spotlight/2017/women-in-the-workforce-before-during-and-after-the-great-recession/pdf/women-in-the-workforce-before-during-and-after-the-great-recession.pdf

Even has lots of graphs so you can kind of follow along.

Guess he never heard of Rose the Riveter or of Tokyo Rose, or of Marie Curie.

 

[Into the Night]

It’s ironic, but it actually takes a measure of faith to believe [and believe is the operative word] that humans are just a fancy arrangement of atoms.

Bingo. The Church of No God is a religion like any other. It's believers are theists, though they call themselves 'atheists'.

All religions are based on some initial circular argument, with arguments extending from that. The circular argument isn't a fallacy in and of itself. It is also known as the Argument of Faith, or simply 'faith'.

Attempting to prove a circular argument either True or False is a fallacy. It is not possible to do so. This is the circular argument fallacy. Not the circular argument, but the attempt to prove one either True or False. This is what a fundamentalist does.

Philosophically, this is how 'religion' can be defined. It is also how 'fundamentalist' can be defined.

I think it’s also true that people *generally* become more conservative as they grow older.

I have seen it for myself. Experience will teach you a lot of things, such as the Utopia that is promised by liberals is simply not possible, since it's hell on Earth.

It’s also interesting that in a thread on unity people would be talking about how great it would be if older Christians would just die off faster lol.

You noticed that, did you? Excellent! That is exactly what happens! The solution liberals often give is to kill or hope for their enemy to die.

 

[Jarod]

That would be completely wrong. Then again, have you ever been right? https://www.bls.gov/spotlight/2017/women-in-the-workforce-before-during-and-after-the-great-recession/pdf/women-in-the-workforce-before-during-and-after-the-great-recession.pdf

Even has lots of graphs so you can kind of follow along.

I didn’t say women were not in the work force, I said fundys were saying women should not be in the work force. Can you spot the difference?

 

[Nordberg]

I know exactly two atheists. They are both older.
The Church of No God has members from all ages.
The Churches of Christianity has members from all ages. Fundamentalists from both the Church of No God and the Churches of Christ are of all ages.

You should get out of your bubble. There are lots of atheists who do not tell people because then the fine religious people will make their lives miserable.

 

[Dutch Uncle]

You should get out of your bubble. There are lots of atheists who do not tell people because then the fine religious people will make their lives miserable.

Agreed, but it works both way. It's unprofessional to bring religion or politics into the workplace and could be grounds for termination.

 

[Nordberg]

Older atheists often become believers adding to the disparity between the two groups.

https://news.uchicago.edu/story/belief-god-rises-age-even-atheist-nations

From the article...


It’s an older article but the truth seems to remain constant. That as unbelievers age, many more of them become believers than the other way around. It is something I constantly research.

I know no older atheists who turned religious. Religion dies not make more sense when you are older than it did when you are younger. Actually, so called religious people make you more secure in understanding what a farce it is.

 

[Nordberg]

I have no doubt that is one reason for the numbers.

Everyone fears death, but that fear does not make you stupider. You cannot delude yourself into believing the crap religions throw at you.

 

[Sailor]

I didn’t say women were not in the work force, I said fundys were saying women should not be in the work force. Can you spot the difference?

That link proves you 100% wrong. No surprise there though. You always are.

 

[gfm7175]

As you get old you fear death.

Speak for yourself...