Can we please stop the JFK comparison BS with Obama?

leaningright said:
Isn't that the truth. Many of his picks are near the center and that is infuriating to most on the far left. Noting some of his picks I remain somewhat cautiously optomistic. The problem is that there are some on the far right (and that is where I really am as far as moral issues go) that cannot see the moderate nature of Obama's picks. It is truly amazing.
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What does it matter about his picks when it comes to it? Does anyone blame Bush's drunken spending on Condoleeza or his labor secretary?

No it's because Bush himself lacked any balls to veto and encouraged spending on everything from the war to the pill bill.
 
Onceler said:
Well, I think for social conservatives, they probably have a point. I have little doubt that Obama will act quickly on stem cells, and abortion rights will surely benefit under his tenure. He also won't be signing a consitutional amendment banning gay marriage anytime soon.
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Yes, but even the fact that socially he will be against everything I am for and vice-versa, I can still see the moderate nature of his picks. Some are so blind that they will not see....and they are the blindest of all.
 
KingCondanomation said:
What does it matter about his picks when it comes to it? Does anyone blame Bush's drunken spending on Condoleeza or his labor secretary?

No it's because Bush himself lacked any balls to veto and encouraged spending on everything from the war to the pill bill.
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His picks mean a lot to me. I am not thrilled with Holder but at least he didn't pick Jarod (or someone like him) to be AG. I could go on but you get the gist of what I am saying.
 
Superfreak said:
I think Obama is the next Reagan. Like Reagan, he has provided inspiration in a down time. Like Reagan, I think Obama will work with both parties to try to overcome the obstacles this country faces at this time. Like Reagan, he inherits an economy in serious trouble. Like Reagan, he inherits an increasingly bad situation overseas. Like Reagan, I believe Obama will overcome this environment and put this country back on track.
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Boy do I hope so!
 
Damocles said:
Boy do I hope so!
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If he gets half of what he has talked about recently to pass, he will do well out of the gate. I am curious to see how he handles Iraq and Afghanistan. Haven't heard enough on those yet to make me feel as confident as I do in his domestic plans.
 
Onceler said:
Well, I think for social conservatives, they probably have a point. I have little doubt that Obama will act quickly on stem cells, and abortion rights will surely benefit under his tenure. He also won't be signing a consitutional amendment banning gay marriage anytime soon.
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The only thing Obama has to move back on when it comes to abortion rights is reinstating funding for overseas abortions, while stem cell funding was always legal and simply not supported financially by the government. Fiscal and/or social Conservatives have good reason to oppose both moves by Obama to spend there.

The constitutional amendment was on a practical level a red herring. Any constitutional amendment needs approval of two-thirds of both houses of Congress, and ratified by three-quarters of the states. In this partisan day and age, you won't get that many people to agree on anything.
 
KingCondanomation said:
JFK called on people to stop looking to their country (government). He also cut taxes on the rich by 20%.

Obama is just a regular Liberal who wants people to start looking to depend even more on their country for universal healthcare, etc... While Obama wants to tax more successful Americans to fund more government dependence.

To be fair they are both great speakers, and I suppose both inspirational but totally different in WHAT they inspire people to do.
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What I want to stop is the comparisons of Obama to MLK. It's insulting to the memory of King.

King would have opposed Obama.
 
Superfreak said:
I think Obama is the next Reagan. Like Reagan, he has provided inspiration in a down time. Like Reagan, I think Obama will work with both parties to try to overcome the obstacles this country faces at this time. Like Reagan, he inherits an economy in serious trouble. Like Reagan, he inherits an increasingly bad situation overseas. Like Reagan, I believe Obama will overcome this environment and put this country back on track.
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"Reagan was called the great communicator because of his ability to convince white Americans to act against their own economic interests." .. and the same is true of Obama, except he also convinces black people to act against their every interest.

Black Reagan

When Barack Obama started praising Ronald Reagan the candidate's apologists claimed he was just paying respect to a dead president. Now it's clear that Obama's affection for the raging old reactionary was heartfelt. With his latest pronouncements on cutting "entitlements," Obama "has proven himself to be a true believer in the Reagan revolution." The almost-president "is repeating the Reagan mantra about ‘reforming' Social Security and Medicare or cutting their rate of growth" - music to Republican ears. If Obama starts slashing at Social Security, those "progressives" that have excused his rightward lunges will bear responsibility.

-- more at link
http://www.blackagendareport.com/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=971&Itemid=1
 
leaningright said:
I don't think so. Would you care to elaborate please.
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Dr.King was antiwar .. I mean truly anti-war, not just antiwar for convienence and political position. Dr. King would have opposed the invasion of Iraq AND the invasion of Afghanistan AND the senseless murder of innocent Pakistanis.

Dr. King stood up for and spoke for the poor of every race. On the issue of poverty and the poor, John Edwards is a much closer comparison to King than Obama.

Dr. King was a fighter who risked his life, and it cost him his life, as he stood FIRMLY on principle and conviction.

Obama is a slick centrist politician from Chicago who has disdain for civil rights leaders .. thus doesn't include ANY of them in his plans and doesn't have ANY of them around him, even though they are far more responsible for his rise to glory than the mountain of Jewish politicians and operatives he's surrounded in.

Without Jesse Jackson, there would be no Obama as the president because it was Jackson who brought proportional representation to the democrats .. without which, Hillary would be the president.

King would have oppossed Obama on war, the influence of money and corporations, and his priorities of lots of money for rich corporations, lots of money and an increased budget for the military industrial complex .. even though a Pentagoin group said the military budget should be slashed .. yet, cut entitlements to the most needy Americans in a crisis .. and King would have oppossed Obama's belief that American children belong in the military.
 
blackascoal said:
What I want to stop is the comparisons of Obama to MLK. It's insulting to the memory of King.

King would have opposed Obama.
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You know when I think Obama, I think the thing that really unnerves me most is this sentiment of idolatry or seeing so many look to him like some sort of Messiah that will save them or end all partisanship or the sole harbinger of hope or whatever.

I can think of a few politicians I've really liked but I would still get unnerved if masses of people looked to them as saviours. It's hard to explain but it just rubs me the wrong way when mass amounts of people idolize one man. Probably because such a person can get away with far worse abuses of power than a normal man could.

Though we are opposites politically in many respects, I suspect part of your nature is the same way.
 
KingCondanomation said:
You know when I think Obama, I think the thing that really unnerves me most is this sentiment of idolatry or seeing so many look to him like some sort of Messiah that will save them or end all partisanship or the sole harbinger of hope or whatever.

I can think of a few politicians I've really liked but I would still get unnerved if masses of people looked to them as saviours. It's hard to explain but it just rubs me the wrong way when mass amounts of people idolize one man. Probably because such a person can get away with far worse abuses of power than a normal man could.

Though we are opposites politically in many respects, I suspect part of your nature is the same way.
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The only people calling him Messiah are the Right-Wing retards.
 
KingCondanomation said:
You know when I think Obama, I think the thing that really unnerves me most is this sentiment of idolatry or seeing so many look to him like some sort of Messiah that will save them or end all partisanship or the sole harbinger of hope or whatever.

I can think of a few politicians I've really liked but I would still get unnerved if masses of people looked to them as saviours. It's hard to explain but it just rubs me the wrong way when mass amounts of people idolize one man. Probably because such a person can get away with far worse abuses of power than a normal man could.

Though we are opposites politically in many respects, I suspect part of your nature is the same way.
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it's a cult. They have posters of his face in dramatic poses everywhere. They cry and worship him.
 
KingCondanomation said:
You know when I think Obama, I think the thing that really unnerves me most is this sentiment of idolatry or seeing so many look to him like some sort of Messiah that will save them or end all partisanship or the sole harbinger of hope or whatever.

I can think of a few politicians I've really liked but I would still get unnerved if masses of people looked to them as saviours. It's hard to explain but it just rubs me the wrong way when mass amounts of people idolize one man. Probably because such a person can get away with far worse abuses of power than a normal man could.

Though we are opposites politically in many respects, I suspect part of your nature is the same way.
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You could not be more correct my brother.

Our alligence should be to ideals and principles that will make this country live to its potential, not in any man, woman, or political party. Already far too many turn a blind eye to Obama's missteps that will soon become failures.
 
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