Chaos in the Democratic party

TuTu Monroe

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There's chaos in the Democratic party. We have a weak president who has trouble making up his mind about anything, Democrats vowing they will not vote for funding and in the meantime our troops are dying because of this incompetence. God help us.

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Not Nearly Enough On Afghanistan

Michael Rubin, 12.01.09, 08:30 PM EST Why Obama's finite commitment is dangerous.

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Announcing the results of his administration's first policy review on Afghanistan more than eight months ago, President Barack Obama declared, "I want the American people to understand that we have a clear and focused goal: to disrupt, dismantle and defeat al-Qaida in Pakistan and Afghanistan, and to prevent their return to either country in the future." To achieve those goals, the president explained, "we need a stronger, smarter and comprehensive strategy." Unfortunately, the strategy Obama announced tonight will not achieve it.
On Aug. 30, 2009 Gen. Stanley McChrystal, the top U.S. commander in Afghanistan, issued a report advocating, among other items, a surge of 40,000 troops into Afghanistan. Over subsequent months, this number became a political football. Both Vice President Joseph Biden and Gen. KarlEikenberry, the U.S. ambassador in Kabul, advocated fewer troops. After lengthy deliberation, Obama on Tuesday night agreed to send 30,000additional troops to Afghanistan, bringing the total U.S. commitment to over 100,000 troops. NATO, the administration hopes, will contribute enough to address the shortfall in McChrystal's request.


McChrystal is a veteran counterinsurgency expert. He made his request based not on politics, but a calculation of what it would take to win in Afghanistan. Obama has however refused to separate politics from national security. The problem is not troop numbers. When he declared on Tuesday, "These additional American and international troops will allow us to accelerate handing over responsibility to Afghan forces, and allow us to begin the transfer of our forces out of Afghanistan in July of 2011," the president has undercut the McChrystal plan and made success difficult to achieve.



There should be nothing wrong with an open-ended commitment to victory. In late 2006 and early 2007, when the Bush administration put the finishing touches on the strategy that would become the Iraq surge, Obama and many of his top aides questioned its wisdom. On July 19, 2007, for example, Obama declared, "Here's what we know. The surge has not worked." That a year later Obama scrubbed his criticism from his campaign website suggests that today he recognizes the positive impact of George W. Bush's decision. What Obama fails to understand, however, is that the surge is not only a military strategy, but a psychological one as well.


Iraq's surge succeeded because Bush convinced Iraqis that he would not subvert his commitment to victory to politics. Bush's actions showed insurgents had misjudged the U.S. and that Bin Laden was wrong: The U.S. was no paper tiger. Iraqis, no more attracted to al-Qaida's extreme vision than ordinary Afghans are to the Taliban, believed America to be strong. Rather than make accommodations to the terrorists, Iraqis could fight them. The Sunni tribesmen believed that the U.S. would guard their back, and let neither al-Qaida nor Iranian proxies run roughshod over them. For Iraqis and Afghans, it is an easy decision to ally with militarily superior forces led by a commander-in-chief with a clear and demonstrable will to victory.
Obama is not Bush. By declaring his commitment finite, he removes the psychological force from his surge. NATO allies, who, because of limits they place on their troops' activities, are hardly dependable on the best days, will understand that absent U.S. commitment, furthering their own commitments is silly. Pakistan will bolster its support for the Taliban. In Islamabad's calculation, militant Islam is a lesser evil than Pashtun nationalism. If Obama is preparing to cut-and-run--which, fairly or unfairly, is how Pakistani generals will read his speech--then strengthening links to the Taliban will make Pakistan the dominant player in post-surge, post-withdrawal Afghanistan. The Taliban, too, will understand that, at best, they need only lay low, perhaps bloodying U.S. troops enough to keep the Afghanistan war unpopular among the Hollywood, university and media sets Obama cares about.


http://www.forbes.com/2009/12/01/afghanistan-troops-surge-speech-opinions-michael-rubin.html

 
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Why would anyone give a shit what Michael Rubin has to say? Seriously. He's a washed up neo-con has been whose moment in the sun at the Defense Department and the Coalition Provision Authority was so fucking terribly awful that he should be relegated to handing out pamphlets on street corners. He's partially responsible for the shit-show that Iraq became.

How he can with a straight-face profess to offer advice to anyone on the conduct of the war in Afghanistan is beyond me.
 
There's chaos in the Democratic party. We have a weak president who has trouble making up his mind about anything, Democrats vowing they will not vote for funding and in the meantime our troops are dying because of this incompetence. God help us.

Commentary

Not Nearly Enough On Afghanistan

Michael Rubin, 12.01.09, 08:30 PM EST Why Obama's finite commitment is dangerous.

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Chaos, that's a good one. Methinks Rubin is indulging in some wishful thinking to deflect attention from the total bedlam of his own party.

It's pretty sad when the criterion you use to determine weakness or strength of a president is his hawkishness. It's more than sad that you all use military might as the determiner of what makes a country great. Nothing about the people who made the country what it is, just who has the most and biggest weapons.

God forbid Obama should take time to weigh the pros and cons of sending more human lives into an unwinnable conflict. "Unwinnable" being my take on it. People like you kept their lips buttoned through six-plus years of needless destruction that includes almost 4700 troop deaths and countless Iraqi deaths, but that was okay since it was bush-initiated. Now you all have the nerve to whine that "troops are dying because of this incompetence". I suppose you also think that 30,000 additional troops will enter and exit A'stan without a single casualty.

"God help us" is not the correct phrase here. I say thank God that those hawks who are most vocal over the right to kill and destroy are in the minority, and that most Americans are waking up and protesting endless war.
 
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Why would anyone give a shit what Michael Rubin has to say? Seriously. He's a washed up neo-con has been whose moment in the sun at the Defense Department and the Coalition Provision Authority was so fucking terribly awful that he should be relegated to handing out pamphlets on street corners. He's partially responsible for the shit-show that Iraq became.

How he can with a straight-face profess to offer advice to anyone on the conduct of the war in Afghanistan is beyond me.

Way to go attacking the messenger instead of addressing the serious message, which is the incompetence of our CIC.
 
Way to go attacking the messenger instead of addressing the serious message, which is the incompetence of our CIC.


Again, you show your profound ignorance of what "attacking the messenger" means. "Attacking the messenger" refers to attacking an disinterested person who merely relays information.

Rubin is no by any means a disinterested person merely relaying information. He is a guy who was, in part, responsible for totally fucking up Iraq. He has no standing to criticize anyone about the conduct of the Afghanistan war or the strategy going forward.
 
The locked step Rs heads explode when they see real people having real differances on policy.

This is what a real party is like guys.

Have fun in zombie land following your new Bush in high heels without question.
 
The locked step Rs heads explode when they see real people having real differances on policy.

This is what a real party is like guys.

Have fun in zombie land following your new Bush in high heels without question.

That response is rich coming from you. And the irony of claiming people are in lock step with Palin.
 
Again, you show your profound ignorance of what "attacking the messenger" means. "Attacking the messenger" refers to attacking an disinterested person who merely relays information.

Rubin is no by any means a disinterested person merely relaying information. He is a guy who was, in part, responsible for totally fucking up Iraq. He has no standing to criticize anyone about the conduct of the Afghanistan war or the strategy going forward.

LOL It is merely your opinion, and the opinion of mind-numb Democrats, that Iraq was fucked up.

Attacking the messenger didn't work, so now you attempt deflection.
 
Why would anyone give a shit what Michael Rubin has to say? Seriously. He's a washed up neo-con has been whose moment in the sun at the Defense Department and the Coalition Provision Authority was so fucking terribly awful that he should be relegated to handing out pamphlets on street corners. He's partially responsible for the shit-show that Iraq became.

How he can with a straight-face profess to offer advice to anyone on the conduct of the war in Afghanistan is beyond me.

Ad hominem attacks are considered weak argumentation.

Just so you know.:good4u:
 
Way to go attacking the messenger instead of addressing the serious message, which is the incompetence of our CIC.

Rubin was one of the cabal of Neo-Cons (using the true meaning) that supported the attack on Iraq as part of the W. Kristol stated agenda of his Project for a New American Century. Throughout the fiasco that has been Iraq, Rubin has never admitted his mistake, acknowledged the failure of that policy, nor has he apologized to the families of the almost 5000 who have died as a result. Why should his words be trusted now when, indeed, his words should be excellent evidence in support of the opposing position.
 
LOL It is merely your opinion, and the opinion of mind-numb Democrats, that Iraq was fucked up.

Attacking the messenger didn't work, so now you attempt deflection.

You contine to be one of the few people on earth who feel the Iraq war was justified and "well run".
 
Rubin was one of the cabal of Neo-Cons (using the true meaning) that supported the attack on Iraq as part of the W. Kristol stated agenda of his Project for a New American Century. Throughout the fiasco that has been Iraq, Rubin has never admitted his mistake, acknowledged the failure of that policy, nor has he apologized to the families of the almost 5000 who have died as a result. Why should his words be trusted now when, indeed, his words should be excellent evidence in support of the opposing position.
Post 9, repeat.
 
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