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From ILoveAmerica
Originally Posted by PostmodernProphet
or the more intelligent among them take care of the kids of Mothers B,C, and D so the others can get a job and pay her enough that she can take care of her own kids as well and not have to receive assistance......
Tekkychick is rivaling Desh for stupidity

I state a fact - mothers take care of each others kids because welfare to work won't pay them to take care of their kids - and that's stupid?
 
If not wanting to kill 1800 black babies a day at Planned Parenthood makes me a racist, fine I can live with it

If not wanting to see the black community suffer needlessly at the hands of government dependence makes me a racist, then so be it

There is nothing 'compassionate' in your posts here about black people. You are simply parroting an agenda.

I repeat, NOBODY here is denigrating white people. The denigration of races is far from the point of this thread.

Rather, it's a celebration of the diversity of life .. life you claim to care about when it's unborn.
 
And here I thought conservatives understood this - it is always better to be free than a slave, even if one is a relatively pampered slave. And most of the slaves in the US were far from relatively pampered. Beaten, abused, sold to others, families split apart, raped.

Wow. what a stupid thing to say.

You have the reading comprehension of a 3 year old. Nothing in my post said that slaves didn't have a horrible existence. What I am saying, and is arguably true, is that the horrors that were slavery paradoxically did lead to a better life for blacks.

Now that is not to say that it was the grand plan, of course it wasn't. But, even in the face of horrors, there are things to be thankful for. Apparently it is difficult for some to hold competing views in their simple brains. You appear to be one of them.

In your view, the horrors of slavery are just that and everything that stems from it therefore must be horrible. I don't agree with that line of reasoning. I agree that slavery was horrible, but that was then, this is now.

Hell, Poet actually agrees with me. He believes a higher power deemed that he be here in the United States, well, he wouldn't have been if it weren't for slavery. So as usual, I am right again. Unless he knows of another way he would have been here without slavery. Get it? Probably not. You have been conditioned to hear the word slavery and kvetch violently while gesticulating wildly in discomfort at the mere mention of the word. Carry on.
 
There is nothing 'compassionate' in your posts here about black people. You are simply parroting an agenda.

I repeat, NOBODY here is denigrating white people. The denigration of races is far from the point of this thread.

Rather, it's a celebration of the diversity of life .. life you claim to care about when it's unborn.

Like I said, you can read into it what you will. I can only state what I believe. You may not like how I say things, that is fine and there is a fair argument to be made about that which I accept. However the facts don't change.

If you notice, I never made a comment one way or the other about biracial families. It matters little to me. I guess if you don't care about the high rate of illegitimacy in the black community then I shouldn't as well. Would you be happier if I rejoiced at the 1800 aborted black babies a day? Would that be a more satisfactory response for you? Do you think it is acceptable when you hear people proclaim that abortion is a crime preventer? I find it odd that you aren't offended by the genocide of 1800 black babies a day, but the word "colored" sends you into a tailspin.
 
Is single motherhood and feminism a problem? I'm not so sure of that. I think single motherhood is far from the worst outcome. And in spite of the stereotypes the right like to believe in, it is pretty common for all races today, and becoming more so. Although, probably more likely when people are poor. If more minorities are poor I'm thinking that is more likely the cause than what race they are.

I was reading about marriages in the middle ages and happened across this...

Most of the time, the couples hardly knew each other. .(Most marriages were "arraigned"). Once married the husband was completely in charge. Wives were their property, literally. Men were allowed to beat their wife as long as she did not die. They also were the only ones to ask for a divorce. If you were a women married to an abusive horrible man that you could not stand, there was nothing you could do about it. However if you were a man you could get divorce in a blink of an eye.

But I am sure those complaining about single mothers today would be good with that. After all, there was no government assistance and men were the breadwinners. No moral and cultural decay THERE. (A little sarcasm in case you missed it.)

Now if you REALLY don't want to help single poor minority OR white mothers (the rich ones probably don't need much help), how about insisting women get paid the same as men? And provide free contraception and abortions for FREE! Lot's of money to be saved there. And provide a lot better sex education than many places do now! And free day-care so single mothers could get jobs. That is assuming there were sufficient jobs for them to find, and THAT'S an entire other story. - OH, but wait, I just realized...

Maybe you don't really want them working. You want them to stay home and raise your brood of children while you yuk it up down at the local pub and then demand dinner be on the table when you get home? Perhaps you want women to stay in the bedroom and kitchen where they belong? (More sarcasm...) Maybe you want it exactly like it was "in the old days." (How old are you? - rhetorical question) I'd say if you can find some breadwinner to take you in and treat you that way, you are welcome to it. But, stop trying to sell other people on the idea it's a good thing.

And if you want to find someone to blame, how about you start with the fathers?

It is why poisin was the choice of women in the Middle Ages.
 
I could tell ILA, as s/he did me, "After reading your first line, it is clear that you are an uniformed partisan. The rest of your bilge requires no reply." - and that would save me a lot of typing.

But, I will reply a little. The thing about statistics by themselves is they do not often prove cause and effect. Does ILA assume there is some genetic component in a black man's blood that makes him flee after a child is born and a black mother to hang in there raising a family on her own? NO? Then maybe he wants to blame our social safety net instead? Here it gets kind of cloudy, as I try to understand his point. Is it blacks, all minorities or just poor people as against whites and rich people? Until he spits it out, I'm not sure which argument to take up.

It appears to be black single parent households he see as a threat to our society, so I'll just stop there.

Now what could be different, if it isn't genetics?

How about education in the urban areas where many black people, that generate your statistics, live? I maintain this education system has and is increasingly failing to provide education as a path to good paying main stream jobs. It is struggling amidst high crime rate "hoods" and areas of the city that law enforcement has too often given up on enforcing public safety. Recently in Chicago they closed a number of schools for budget reasons and many parents complained. One reason they complained is that now their children had to cross gang lines and run a longer and more dangerous path just trying to get into the classroom. Once there, the classroom is failing them anyway. And if they manage to hang in there and graduate there are few jobs waiting for them.

Yes, it might be better in such a situation if these kids (as many of them still are) did not have sex or at least were provided THAT education and access. All they are doing is looking for love in all the wrong places. ANY group of ANY genetic background would be the same. My evidence? Because when black children from the same neighborhoods have been put in special academies that actually provide an adequate education, they have blossomed. They attend college and get good jobs at the same rate as white children coming from affluent schools. And, for the purpose of this issue, I would hazard the opinion that their family structure looks exactly as you would expect, ie: an upper class (and I HATE that term) educated two parent family. In fact, based on MY FAMILY, I KNOW this to be the case.

This is NOT genetic! Nor is it the fault of the system that is trying to help "after the fact" that so many conservatives complain about. Most people of any color or race DON'T decide to have big single parent families just to collect benefits. They would much rather be the Cosby family of old TV fame. This all starts and finishes with education or the lack of a good enough one. All the rest - crime, poverty, etc. is just piling on to the problem so much that it's hard to tell exactly what the ultimate cause it. But, one thing I am sure of it that the victims of the system can't fix the problem on their own. It's not THEIR FAULT.

Clean up the crime and provide a GOOD education, add in contraception and good jobs waiting at the end and I predict this whole question would go "poof."
 
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Is single motherhood and feminism a problem? I'm not so sure of that. I think single motherhood is far from the worst outcome. And in spite of the stereotypes the right like to believe in, it is pretty common for all races today, and becoming more so. Although, probably more likely when people are poor. If more minorities are poor I'm thinking that is more likely the cause than what race they are.

I was reading about marriages in the middle ages and happened across this...

[FONT=&]Most of the time, the couples hardly knew each other. .(Most marriages were "arraigned"). Once married the husband was completely in charge. Wives were their property, literally. Men were allowed to beat their wife as long as she did not die. They also were the only ones to ask for a divorce. If you were a women married to an abusive horrible man that you could not stand, there was nothing you could do about it. However if you were a man you could get divorce in a blink of an eye.[/FONT]

But I am sure those complaining about single mothers today would be good with that. After all, there was no government assistance and men were the breadwinners. No moral and cultural decay THERE. (A little sarcasm in case you missed it.)

Now if you REALLY don't want to help single poor minority OR white mothers (the rich ones probably don't need much help), how about insisting women get paid the same as men? And provide free contraception and abortions for FREE! Lot's of money to be saved there. And provide a lot better sex education than many places do now! And free day-care so single mothers could get jobs. That is assuming there were sufficient jobs for them to find, and THAT'S an entire other story. - OH, but wait, I just realized...

Maybe you don't really want them working. You want them to stay home and raise your brood of children while you yuk it up down at the local pub and then demand dinner be on the table when you get home? Perhaps you want women to stay in the bedroom and kitchen where they belong? (More sarcasm...) Maybe you want it exactly like it was "in the old days." (How old are you? - rhetorical question) I'd say if you can find some breadwinner to take you in and treat you that way, you are welcome to it. But, stop trying to sell other people on the idea it's a good thing.

And if you want to find someone to blame, how about you start with the fathers?

Fantastic post.
 
I am always amazed by the thought process of women. They turn to poison and coat hangers to solve their problems. Odd dontcha think?

Well, bitch, you'd hardly be so amazed, if you woke, one morning, and found yourself "in the family way". I can see you panicking. LOL
 
Like I said, you can read into it what you will. I can only state what I believe. You may not like how I say things, that is fine and there is a fair argument to be made about that which I accept. However the facts don't change.

If you notice, I never made a comment one way or the other about biracial families. It matters little to me. I guess if you don't care about the high rate of illegitimacy in the black community then I shouldn't as well. Would you be happier if I rejoiced at the 1800 aborted black babies a day? Would that be a more satisfactory response for you? Do you think it is acceptable when you hear people proclaim that abortion is a crime preventer? I find it odd that you aren't offended by the genocide of 1800 black babies a day, but the word "colored" sends you into a tailspin.

I'm done.

Feel free to continue your racist rant.

Just don't come pretending sanity to me again.
 
Now if you REALLY don't want to help single poor minority OR white mothers (the rich ones probably don't need much help), how about insisting women get paid the same as men? And provide free contraception and abortions for FREE! Lot's of money to be saved there. And provide a lot better sex education than many places do now! And free day-care so single mothers could get jobs. That is assuming there were sufficient jobs for them to find, and THAT'S an entire other story. - OH, but wait, I just realized...

Maybe you don't really want them working. You want them to stay home and raise your brood of children while you yuk it up down at the local pub and then demand dinner be on the table when you get home? Perhaps you want women to stay in the bedroom and kitchen where they belong? (More sarcasm...) Maybe you want it exactly like it was "in the old days." (How old are you? - rhetorical question) I'd say if you can find some breadwinner to take you in and treat you that way, you are welcome to it. But, stop trying to sell other people on the idea it's a good thing.

Thanks, RM, for all the good comments.

I just want to add on - the reasons for single parent households are complex. They ARE increasing - for all races. Among the reasons for this is just lack of good paying jobs for men who have high school diplomas. We are hurting our men terribly - all races- by not figuring out how to get decent paying jobs for them. Now women need jobs too; but they did not suffer as high a percent of job loss in the recent recession as did men.

Now since we've started recovering, men are starting to get jobs; this may mean that women will be more likely to marry the fathers of their kids.
http://www.pewsocialtrends.org/2011/07/06/two-years-of-economic-recovery-women-lose-jobs-men-find-them/

But I'm not sure that will reverse the trend of single parent households. And we all agree we want kids from all households to do well. That means we need to look at what will help these households. No, it's not forcing the head of household to marry; it's supplying day care services, head start for more than a few years, better schools in the neighborhoods, after school programs, better paying jobs, health care for kids, etc etc etc. We will only benefit ourselves if we invest in kids; because if we don't, the higher crime rate and lower education rates will cost us dearly.

Oh- by the way - same sex marriage? HELLLOOOOOO!!! it's a no-brainer - we want kids to be from two-parent households; legalize same sex marriage for the kids, if for no other reason.

I always also find it funny (in a sad way) how when it's a poor woman with kids we tell her "get a job"; when it's a middle-class woman or rich woman with kids we say "you have to stay home with them". Which is it? kids better off with parent at home or a parent at work? Or is all about controlling the woman and really we don't care about kids once they are born?
 
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From ILoveAmerica

I state a fact - mothers take care of each others kids because welfare to work won't pay them to take care of their kids - and that's stupid?

them doing it makes them stupid......
you thinking making the comment advances your argument instead of ours makes you Desh-like (i.e. stupid).....
 
I don't know about other states, but here in Florida the number of white men failing to pay child support is far greater than others. Perhaps it's the price of meth?
 
I could tell ILA, as s/he did me, "After reading your first line, it is clear that you are an uniformed partisan. The rest of your bilge requires no reply." - and that would save me a lot of typing.

But, I will reply a little. The thing about statistics by themselves is they do not often prove cause and effect. Does ILA assume there is some genetic component in a black man's blood that makes him flee after a child is born and a black mother to hang in there raising a family on her own? NO? Then maybe he wants to blame our social safety net instead? Here it gets kind of cloudy, as I try to understand his point. Is it blacks, all minorities or just poor people as against whites and rich people? Until he spits it out, I'm not sure which argument to take up.

I never once claimed that there is a genetic component. You are free to let your biases infer that if it makes you feel comfortable, but it wouldn't make it anymore true. I do put the blame on the "social safety" net as you call it. Remember, what we use nets for. That is to trap animals. The tragedy that is single motherhood has exploded since the advent of your "social safety net". Now you may want to ignore it, that is your choice. But, the facts are there.

It appears to be black single parent households he see as a threat to our society, so I'll just stop there.

No, I see single mother households as a threat to our society. Again, the statistics support my claim. Children from single mother households have a higher incidence of drug abuse, crime, high school drop outs etc. The list goes on and on. You can stay blind to it if you want.

Now what could be different, if it isn't genetics?

How about education in the urban areas where many black people, that generate your statistics, live? I maintain this education system has and is increasingly failing to provide education as a path to good paying main stream jobs. It is struggling amidst high crime rate "hoods" and areas of the city that law enforcement has too often given up on enforcing public safety. Recently in Chicago they closed a number of schools for budget reasons and many parents complained. One reason they complained is that now their children had to cross gang lines and run a longer and more dangerous path just trying to get into the classroom. Once there, the classroom is failing them anyway. And if they manage to hang in there and graduate there are few jobs waiting for them.

It is hilarious that you bitch and moan about me bring up "blacks" and then you go on to list all of these things in black neighborhoods. I might point out as I have on numerous occasions (and has yet to be disputed by anyone factually) these urban areas have two things in common. One, we spend more on education there than just about any other place and they have all been dominated by democrats for a generation or more. Now if it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck.....its a fucking duck.

Yes, it might be better in such a situation if these kids (as many of them still are) did not have sex or at least were provided THAT education and access. All they are doing is looking for love in all the wrong places. ANY group of ANY genetic background would be the same. My evidence? Because when black children from the same neighborhoods have been put in special academies that actually provide an adequate education, they have blossomed. They attend college and get good jobs at the same rate as white children coming from affluent schools. And, for the purpose of this issue, I would hazard the opinion that their family structure looks exactly as you would expect, ie: an upper class (and I HATE that term) educated two parent family. In fact, based on MY FAMILY, I KNOW this to be the case.

It isn't a question of "might be better". We KNOW it will be better.

This is NOT genetic! Nor is it the fault of the system that is trying to help "after the fact" that so many conservatives complain about.

I never once claimed it was genetic.

Most people of any color or race DON'T decide to have big single parent families just to collect benefits.

Again, I am not arguing whether there is a racial component to that decision. But, it is inarguable that when LBJs welfare system started, he made it economically advantageous for there not to be a father around. More benefits for no daddy. Yes, anyone regardless of color will make that economic decision. Now, did that one thing account for the high rate of single motherhood? Of course not. It was a contributing factor. Other contibuting factors include no fault divorce, the glorifying of single motherhood by hollywood not only on TV and in movies but the Madonna's of the world running around adopting children and showing how "easy" it is for them to be a single mom. Like every other single mom is worth $100 million.


They would much rather be the Cosby family of old TV fame.

You know this how?

This all starts and finishes with education or the lack of a good enough one. All the rest - crime, poverty, etc. is just piling on to the problem so much that it's hard to tell exactly what the ultimate cause it. But, one thing I am sure of it that the victims of the system can't fix the problem on their own. It's not THEIR FAULT.

Yes, it is never anyones fault other than the 1%ers. Everything is their fault

Clean up the crime and provide a GOOD education, add in contraception and good jobs waiting at the end and I predict this whole question would go "poof."


It would be so much more helpful if you would read what I actually said rather than what you WISHED I said. My guess is that you were in such a hurry to craft a response, you didn't take the trouble to really read and comprehend what I wrote. If you had, you wouldn't have gone to this much trouble building so many strawmen. Maybe you find it easier to argue against things people haven't said.
 
It would be so much more helpful if you would read what I actually said rather than what you WISHED I said. My guess is that you were in such a hurry to craft a response, you didn't take the trouble to really read and comprehend what I wrote. If you had, you wouldn't have gone to this much trouble building so many strawmen. Maybe you find it easier to argue against things people haven't said.

I read what you actually said and had to make assumptions because your statements were too general.

Specifically...
I now ASSUME you think the problem (assuming it's the cause of the statistics you quote and not just a coincidentally occurring result of some other CAUSE) is what I refer to as a social safety net.

BTW, some people might use nets to trap animals, but others stretch them under the circus high-wire, thus the word SAFETY net.

I ASSUME you think people (mainly women) become single parents so they can just sit back and collect welfare benefits. I'll ask you the same question you asked me when I said that most people would rather be the Cosby Family, just how do YOU "know" whatever it is you think you know? Personal experience?

I know my mixed and black family members would rather have a good job and a good life because I get to see it EVERY DAY. I have also seen and been in homes where people are struggling to get by with public assistance - and it's NOT FUN! They would trade places with me in a flash!

Public assistance, social safety net, welfare, - call it what you will - is the fire truck. It's not the arsonist or his match.
 
So what you are saying is that a higher power deemed that your ancestors be "stolen" from their land so that you could be here? Seems like you are basically articulating what I just said.

BTW, my ancestors had nothing to do with slavery in the United States. My ancestors immigrated here in the 1920s. Why should I feel guilty about a practice that I had nothing to do with? I mean like Benghazi, slavery happened "a long time ago" right?

You can feign offense if you like, but it doesn't change the facts.

Oh, no...man , quite often, goes against the wishes of The Almighty, I would imagine. Like your kind is apt to say about sexual orientation, as it relates to homosexuality. Well, if that's true, then so is the fact that men, conspired against the wishes of any benevolent God, and committed grave sins, by enslaving a people. And I would never articulate what you have said, today, or any other day. I believe the opposite of what you believe.
And where did your ancestors immigrate from, if I may ask, in the 1920's.....seems I am more entitled to the American Dream than you are, seeing that I can trace back my family tree, on my mother's side to the 1750's. My ancestor came from France under conscript from King George III.
And non sequitur. Benghazi has nothing to do with the present topic. But don't let that stop you.
 
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