There is no such thing as 'State capitalism'.
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There is no such thing as 'State capitalism'.
Again you have it exactly backwards.
No, Trump is the President of the United States today. He wasn't alive a century ago.
What evolution? None of these activities causes a change in humans themselves.
We generally don't live in trees, we generally don't live in caves, and our agriculture techniques are quite good and have been for a long time.
What tree have YOU been living in??
No, it does not. Mon9opolies that form are eventually destroyed anyway by capitalism. All it takes is for someone to come up with a better idea than that old dinosaur of a company.
There was a monopoly in the United States by Ford until someone came along and built a better car.
There was a monopoly of computers by IBM until someone came along and built the first minicomputer, and then the first personal computer after that.
There was a monopoly of semiconductors by Intel until AMD and the ARM foundation showed up.
There was a monopoly of aircraft engines by the Wright Bros until others started making them.
There was a monopoly of operating system software by Microsoft until Apple and Linux Torvald.
Capitalism creates wealth. There is no 'zero sum game'.
The only way for a monopoly to stay a monopoly is for a government to become socialist and dictate that company to be a monopoly by law.
Nazis were socialists. They knew they were socialists. That's why they called it the National Socialist German Worker's party. The actual German worker suffered under it.
WRONG. German businesses operations were STOLEN by the government. The government told them what they could sell, who they could sell to, when they could sell it, who they could buy their raw materials from, when they could buy it, and even who they could hire to produce the product. The owners, having no say, still owned the companies of course and took all the risk for the government screwups.
Since they were customers and suppliers.
Airstrip One
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Market liberalism allows individuals the freedom to look after their own self-interest without having those interests subverted by the oligarchs, monarch, military, or central committee.
I don't think you believe in state capitalism, because that is just a sham label. You are still a committed Marxist who has never had to oversee a five-year plan. State capitalism is just a reality that such entities as the CCP have pragmatically adopted, because they recognize that fascism is superior to Marxism, and obviously aren't going to liberalize their societies.
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Iolo/Penderyn
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I think you are probably living nearer a thousand years ago. How is your cave? People didn't live in caves a thousand years ago? Your people did, obviously.
Iolo/Penderyn
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Market liberalism forces the vast majority of people to live like slaves, on grass if at all possible. You ought to read Marx one of these days if you are allowed to. All capitalism. child, is the rule of an exploitive class that lives off those who do all the work, and there are no non-capitalist countries in the world, as you know. Do stop quacking like a duck and read what people write.
YALIFNAP
So people voluntarily work hard just to live in a cave and eat grass????
Already have. Karl Marx is a socialist. Marxism is socialism. Marx advocates either communism of fascism (on the road to communism). Since socialism is theft of wealth, it can only be implemented by dictatorships and oligarchies.
No thanks.
You are describing socialism, not capitalism.
North Korea, Cuba, Argentina,... shall I go on?
A copy of the Communist Manifesto, in English.
Airstrip One
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Marxism forces everyone to be slaves. That's what you resent about liberalism. Not only is no one socially or legally relegated to mandatory serfdom, but, that it isn't 100% forced enslavement. But, that's why they call it totalitarianism.
Iolo/Penderyn
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No, as you'll remember well, the people who lived in caves lived pretty well - they didn't have capitalist lice on their backs. Marx explains that control by the working class is inevitable if any further human progress is to happen: you are quacking like a duck again: do try not to talk total crap - it's boring. All the countries you mention, like your own and all others, are of course capitalists, run by an exploiting class of lice at the expense of working people. If you are too drunk to know what you are talking about, do go to bed and sleep it off.So people voluntarily work hard just to live in a cave and eat grass????
Already have. Karl Marx is a socialist. Marxism is socialism. Marx advocates either communism of fascism (on the road to communism). Since socialism is theft of wealth, it can only be implemented by dictatorships and oligarchies.
No thanks.
You are describing socialism, not capitalism.
North Korea, Cuba, Argentina,... shall I go on?
A copy of the Communist Manifesto, in English.
Iolo/Penderyn
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Do go and read some Marx, kiddiewinkie You are simply showing yourself as an ignorant, brainwashed fool.
Airstrip One
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You are simply showing yourself to be irrelevant, like every other Marxist.
This is nonsense. Would you people learn the difference between communist dictatorships and the countries we try to emulate for once in a lifetime already. Here's one gigantic detail a few of those countries you talk about has. The people can't leave and live under what could easily be considered oppressive rule. Those are communist and despotic nations. Guess what has nothing of the sort. You can live there, you can leave there, you can have dual citizenship while you're there. Communism and socialism are not the same things no matter how many times you say it.
Mason Melchizedek
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They are stuck in the 50's!
Iolo/Penderyn
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I think this quotation from Francis Wheen is relevant to you antediluvian McCarthyites:
'For the West during the Cold War, he' (Marx) 'was the demonic begetter of all evil, the founder of an awesomely sinister cult, the man whose baleful influence must be suppressed. In the Soviet Union of the 1950s has assumed the status of a secular God with Lenin as John the Baptist and, of course, Comrade Stalin himself as the redeeming Messiah. This alone has been quite enough to convict Marx as an accomplice in the massacres and purges: had he lived a few years longer, by now some enterprising journalist would probably have fingered him as the prime suspect in the Jack the Ripper murders too. But why? Marx himself certainly never asked to be included in the Holy Trinity, and would have been appalled by the crimes committed in his name. The bastard creeds espoused by Stalin, Mao or Kim Il Sung treated his work rather as modern Christians use the Old Testament: much of it simply ignored or discarded, while a few resonant slogans ("opium of the people", "dictatorship of the proletariat") are wrenched out of context, turned upside down and then cited as apparently divine justification for the most brutal inhumanities. Kipling, as so often, had the right phrase;
"He that has a Gospel
To loose upon Mankind,
Though he serve it utterly =
Body, soul and mind -
Though he go to Calvary
Daily for its gain -
It is his Disciple
Shall make his labour vain".
Only a fool could hold Marx responsible for the Gulag; but there is, alas, a ready supply of fools.'
Hope that is not too hard for you.
I wouldn't know. Neither would you.
Non-sequitur fallacy. Lice are not an economic system.
Guess you never had time to read the Communist Manifesto I linked for you, did you?
Why should I give up what I worked for, just to satisfy someone who didn't? If I happen to have built up my own business, hired employees to help run that business, etc. Why should I be required to give what I built to someone else? I know the business and the market. The employees don't.
No, that would be YOU. Inversion fallacy.
YALIFNAP.
I don't own any countries.
North Korea is not capitalism. It is socialism implemented by a dictatorship.
Argentina is not capitalism. It is socialism implemented by a dictatorship.
China is not capitalism. It is socialism implemented by an oligarchy.
Cuba is not capitalism. It is socialism implemented by a dictatorship.
That is socialism.
YALIFNAP.
Do go read the copy of the Communist Manifesto that I provided you the link for.
Communism is one form of socialism.
Non-sequitur fallacy. Communism is communism. Socialism is socialism. Nothing was different in the 50's.