Chomsky Describes US Domestic Policy in Two Words: 'Pure Savagery'!

Superfreak said:
This is pure comedy...

Spending on food stamps in 2007 pre-crisis... $33B

in 2010 it had jumped to $68B (note: unemployment was very high and it was needed)

in 2013 it was $79B... yet unemployment has come down

Now they want to take it down by $9B, which would still put it about the same as the 2010 crisis level spending.

So which is it Dems? Did the economy improve under Obama? Or not? Did he leave behind mass amounts of people with his policies?
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People's desperation is pure comedy to you?

It's probably a good thing you only have to associate with people with money.
 
Superfreak said:
LMAO... no, you are being a partisan hack. If unemployment is LOWER than 2010, the economy is STRONGER than 2010, then why is it that you need to spend 20% MORE than 2010 on food stamps?

How do you justify that?

While I agree the employment situation is shitty relative to full employment, it is almost 3% lower than it was in 2010. So what actually makes no sense is pretending that cutting back to 2010 levels of food stamp spending (a time when things were worse) is somehow bad.
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This is tough for you guys. OOH, you have to be against the UI extension or Grover will bring his bitches to heel...OTOH, you can't claim the economy is doing good because that would be saying something good about Obama.

I'd say you've got it down. Did you go to special training for this? You sure have your tapdance shoes on. Hit it sister! Did they give you outfits? I see you in a purple suit with lots of glitter, and white tap shoes. Am I right? Tap tap tap tap tap...tap tap....tap tap tap tap...tap tap...tap
 
Rana said:
People's desperation is pure comedy to you?

It's probably a good thing you only have to associate with people with money.
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This is what these financial guys consider comedy. You should see them at The Bull Run at about 5 pm after they have given someone a really good fleecing...
 
If the improvement in the economy and reduction in the unemployment rate resulting is less of a need for SNAP benefts there would be no need to reduce SNAP benefits as fewer people would qualify for less benefits. That's obviously not what's happening.

Also, too, this is What's Happening:

 
Darla said:
I don't know that real unemployment is lower. 2008 created a permanent underclass in this country. I guess you can't say it created this class, but it greatly expanded it. So many formerly middle class people joined this underclass because of their age. If you were 45 or over, or at most, 50 or over, and lost your job in the crash, you were very unlikely to find another one. Those people are totally fucked.
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I do agree that those 55 and over had a very hard time finding new jobs, especially at similar levels of pay. This was due to the discrimination that occurs that we pretend doesn't occur. Younger workers are cheaper and have greater potential longevity.


We should have lowered the SS age, expanded Medicaid, dropped any cap on UI (btw, UI is totally stimulative and anyone against those benefits is not doing it out of fiscal concern but simply for ideological reasons, which basically comes down to spite), and instituted real jobs programs. God knows this country is a shithole and could use a lot of work. Our infrastructure is a mess.
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1) Lowering SS is a horrible idea, it would only further exacerbate the problems within SS. We have the ability to take care of the current problems, but lowering the age would likely cause more problems than it solves.

2) Expanding Medicaid... I assume you mean by increasing the income eligibility level... which I would agree with in principle, but obviously the level of increase is up for debate.

3) Unemployment Insurance is not 'totally stimulative'... that money comes from corporations who pay unemployment insurance. The longer the period, the higher the premiums will be for companies. The higher the premiums, the more cautious companies will be to hire and the more they will look for automation, increases in current labor productivity etc... Like anything, the money has to come from somewhere. If you provide endless unemployment benefits, then there is less incentive to find a job.

4) Jobs programs are a very good investment in my opinion. Welfare recipients should automatically be enrolled in job training programs to help them break the cycle of dependency on the government. Obviously child care would be a necessary component to allow the adults with children not in school to participate. Unemployment recipients should be provided the opportunity to learn a new trade/profession, especially if their previous job was in a dying industry or one that has become more automated/off shored.

5) Our country is hardly a shit hole.

6) Infrastructure... a FAR FAR FAR FAR better use of money than simply extending unemployment benefits (couple this with the jobs training programs you mentioned... and away we go)
 
Rana said:
People's desperation is pure comedy to you?

It's probably a good thing you only have to associate with people with money.
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Is that what I stated? No... what is pure comedy is people who pretend the cuts suggested are some great atrocity. Again... look at those numbers... 2010 was far worse economically for the US, yet we are still $10B above THAT spending level.

This is the problem with many on the left on this issue. In a crisis, they say 'we need to help protect people and increase our spending in these areas'... to which I agree. But once the crisis has subsided, the left screams 'how dare you cut from crisis level spending!!!' ... which is bat shit crazy.
 
Darla said:
This is tough for you guys. OOH, you have to be against the UI extension or Grover will bring his bitches to heel...OTOH, you can't claim the economy is doing good because that would be saying something good about Obama.
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LMAO... amazing how fast the left runs to their boogey men when they realize they lost an argument.

Like Dung... I agree the economy is still relatively shitty compared to where we would all like it to be... however the economy is certainly improved since 2010. Again, perpetual UI as you would have it is a JOB KILLER... thus you would likely create a permanent problem.

When unemployment benes were reduced from 99 weeks to 73, the world did not end. Unemployment came DOWN. the economy picked UP.

I'd say you've got it down. Did you go to special training for this? You sure have your tapdance shoes on. Hit it sister! Did they give you outfits? I see you in a purple suit with lots of glitter, and white tap shoes. Am I right? Tap tap tap tap tap...tap tap....tap tap tap tap...tap tap...tap
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Further proof Darla has lost the argument.
 
aeprga said:
If the improvement in the economy and reduction in the unemployment rate resulting is less of a need for SNAP benefts there would be no need to reduce SNAP benefits as fewer people would qualify for less benefits. That's obviously not what's happening.
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Unless of course the government (fed and states) expanded the qualifications for food stamps...

Again... are those of you on the left proclaiming the Obama economy has not improved since 2010 or are you saying it has?

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Artic...ill-Spend-63-billion-On-Food-Stamps-This-Year
 
Superfreak said:
Unless of course the government (fed and states) expanded the qualifications for food stamps...

Again... are those of you on the left proclaiming the Obama economy has not improved since 2010 or are you saying it has?

http://www.thefiscaltimes.com/Artic...ill-Spend-63-billion-On-Food-Stamps-This-Year
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Costs have increased while wages have stagnated. Although the economy has improved, jobs being created, the largest employers besides the government don't pay a living wage. We are supplementing the Walmarts!
 
Rana said:
Costs have increased while wages have stagnated. Although the economy has improved, jobs being created, the largest employers besides the government don't pay a living wage. We are supplementing the Walmarts!
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Jobs being created? Why four friends of mine lost their jobs today.
 
Ishmael Pequod said:
If my handle was 1966stang you would defend me. Hypocrite. You're much too easy to set up. I better stop or it will look like I'm abusing the mentally challenged.
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Lol, such a nice fantasy world you have developed, but I grow bored because you are do predictable in your insults!
 
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