APP - Christian Hate Groups

midcan5

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If Fox media and presidential candidate Donald Trump among others insist we add to an act of terrorism and hate, a religious qualifier, then is it not fair that we call out Christian hate organizations. There are many of them and just like any other religion they claim to be the followers of God here on earth. It's unclear whether God hates the same people as no clear hate list has arrived from the heavens recently?

Consider for instance 'American Family Association' who are boycotting Target because Target has expressed a well founded American principle of tolerance for diversity. Our preamble has no place in religious hate groups. Hate is an exception in so many areas of society. It's often unclear who to hate at any given time or historic epoch. Hate also varies in intensity and location.

So in fairness to hatred of all sorts, let's all make sure we tag people properly. Your thoughts?

"There are 939 hate groups currently operating in the United States, many of which are religiously driven. Some of these groups are led by people like James Wickstrom, a Christian minister and radio talk show host who often calls for the extermination of Jews in his sermons. Wickstrom has an extensive criminal history and has been preaching his hatred since the 1970s. Thomas Robb is another hate group ringleader. A Christian-Identity Church pastor and longtime leader of the Knights of the Ku Klux Klan, Robb preaches the preservation and grand authority of the white race over all others. Both leaders are, unsurprisingly, anti-LGBTQ as well."

http://thehumanist.com/news/religion/5-dangerous-christian-hate-groups

PS Is this true for Love too? That would require another investigation.

The fact is, the most painful and tragic lesson of the 20th century was that regimes based on racial superiority and religious hatred can't be trusted to keep their word to the international community." Michael Bloomberg

Additional Item Of Interest

"state regulation of daycare facilities. Or rather, the lack thereof, if you happen to have a…think hard now…religious exemption."

"In 1997, while George W. Bush was governor, the Texas legislature exempted religious daycares from standard licensing rules. After a few years, one study found that “the rate of confirmed abuse and neglect at alternatively-accredited facilities was 25 times higher than that of state-licensed facilities.” That was enough to persuade even Gov. Rick Perry, hardly a secular champion, to back repeal of the exemption.

Still, there remain those sixteen states that haven’t gotten the message yet, and continue to provide full or partial exemptions for religious day care operators. After all, the losers are just kids—not important people, like God experts." http://thehumanist.com/voices/rules...schmucks-littlest-victims-religious-privilege


"It is terrible that we all die and lose everything we love; it is doubly terrible that so many human beings suffer needlessly while alive. That so much of this suffering can be directly attributed to religion—to religious hatreds, religious wars, religious delusions and religious diversions of scarce resources—is what makes atheism a moral and intellectual necessity." Sam Harris
 
lets not forget groups that hate Christians.....

Of course not, who are they is the hard part? One aspect of religions like politics is they vary in their likes and dislikes to keep the comparisons simple.

"Here is the plain and dangerous truth facing the cosmopolitan world: In the opinion of many millions of Jews and Christians and Muslims, the Abrahamic God of the desert is a homophobe."

http://www.latimes.com/opinion/op-e...-religion-homophobia-20160614-snap-story.html


"When I do good, I feel good; when I do bad, I feel bad. That's my religion." Abraham Lincoln
 
well, I'm a member of a mainstream Christian religion......I'm sure you consider that either a hate group or a hated group or both......

Everyone I know is a member of a 'mainstream Christian religion' (Jewish too) even atheists and other doubters who have children or a spouse they need to live in peace with. lol But like all organizations they are good and bad and it is essential we call out the bad - and not get into convoluted excuses. America, while it preaches separation of church and state, doesn't abide by that rule when laws are made to discriminate against citizens based on religious belief. Isn't that the very thing we rebelled against and formed this nation?

"The main hypothesis concerning group-think is this: the more amiability and espirt de corps among the members of an in-group of policymakers the greater the danger that independent critical thinking will be replaced by groupthink, which is likely to result in irrational and the dehumanizing actions directed at out-groups." Irving L. Janis in 'Sanctions for Evil'

"I like your Christ, I do not like your Christians. Your Christians are so unlike your Christ." Gandhi


"Christianity has not been tried and found wanting; it has been found difficult and not tried." Gilbert K. Chesterton
 
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I like my Christ too......I think your atheists suck......I also think your constant efforts to post negative information about Christianity demonstrates a severe lack of intelligence......
 
I like my Christ too......I think your atheists suck......I also think your constant efforts to post negative information about Christianity demonstrates a severe lack of intelligence......

Jesus was an OK dude, nothing like today's Christians, My atheists? Huh, I'm not an Atheist and they are certainly on their own. Posting information that fights against hatred and the imposition of any religion on others can be smart or dumb, irrelevant point PPP.

More stuff for thought, this is a broad stick.

Religions are so alike

"In a way, it's almost hard to believe that Hamid is this stupid. Those of us who make up "the bastions of Northeastern, liberal, elite thought" are more than passingly familiar with the idea of a political ideology that turns on "a desire for eternal salvation": it's called "the religious right," and our objection to it has never been that it's merely unfamiliar or unexpected. For crying out loud, it hasn't even been a year since that whole Kim Davis thing happened - was Hamid not paying attention back then? Because the main arguments against Davis's behavior (i.e., her refusal to issue marriage licenses to same-sex couples on religious grounds) were that her "desire for eternal salvation" was incompatible with the principles of good governance, was based on a total fiction, and was directly at odds with morality. If anybody out there claimed that Davis was wrong purely because her Christian theocratic beliefs "sound[ed] bizarre," they must have done so very quietly. So, again, was Hamid asleep for the weeks when Davis was in the news? Has he forgotten all about that story in the intervening ten months? Or is he just a dolt?"

http://rustbeltphilosophy.blogspot.com/2016/06/contemporary-politics-as-benchmark-for.html
 
Christians oppose gays marrying and don't want to bake a cake for a gay wedding. Muslims behead gays, thrown them off of buildings and assault a gay night club.

Obviously any thinking person can see that there is ZERO difference between Christians and muslims

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Christians oppose gays marrying and don't want to bake a cake for a gay wedding. Muslims behead gays, thrown them off of buildings and assault a gay night club.

Obviously any thinking person can see that there is ZERO difference between Christians and muslims...

Who are you? I don't view your threads as everyone is censored, are you ILA? But yes, you are right, a thinking person would see no difference between the religions and just in case anyone does see below.

Remember Eric Rudolph, Timothy McVeigh, and recently Robert Dear. How about Dylann Roof, does he count? If Muslim murderers are labeled it is only fair to label Christians. In fairness you'd surely agree.


"At least 11 people have been killed in attacks on abortion clinics in the United States since 1993, including the Colorado attack. The most recent victims were Garrett Swasey, a police officer at the University of Colorado - Colorado Springs and a part-time church pastor; Ke’Arre M. Stewart, a former Army specialist who served in Iraq; and Jennifer Markovsky, a woman from Hawaii who was at the clinic with a friend." http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/11/29/us/30abortion-clinic-violence.html

http://www.juancole.com/2005/07/christian-terrorist-rudolph-sentenced.html

'10 of the Worst Terror Attacks by Extreme Christians and Far-Right White Men'

'Most of the terrorist activity in the U.S. in recent years has come not from Muslims, but from radical Christianists, white supremacists and far-right militia groups.'

http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-a...ks-extreme-christians-and-far-right-white-men

'The Top Five Attacks On America Committed By Christian Terrorists, Not Muslims'

http://occupydemocrats.com/2015/11/...ommitted-by-christian-terrorists-not-muslims/
 
Who are you? I don't view your threads as everyone is censored, are you ILA? But yes, you are right, a thinking person would see no difference between the religions and just in case anyone does see below.

Remember Eric Rudolph, Timothy McVeigh, and recently Robert Dear. How about Dylann Roof, does he count? If Muslim murderers are labeled it is only fair to label Christians. In fairness you'd surely agree.


"At least 11 people have been killed in attacks on abortion clinics in the United States since 1993, including the Colorado attack. The most recent victims were Garrett Swasey, a police officer at the University of Colorado - Colorado Springs and a part-time church pastor; Ke’Arre M. Stewart, a former Army specialist who served in Iraq; and Jennifer Markovsky, a woman from Hawaii who was at the clinic with a friend." http://www.nytimes.com/interactive/2015/11/29/us/30abortion-clinic-violence.html

http://www.juancole.com/2005/07/christian-terrorist-rudolph-sentenced.html

'10 of the Worst Terror Attacks by Extreme Christians and Far-Right White Men'

'Most of the terrorist activity in the U.S. in recent years has come not from Muslims, but from radical Christianists, white supremacists and far-right militia groups.'

http://www.alternet.org/tea-party-a...ks-extreme-christians-and-far-right-white-men

'The Top Five Attacks On America Committed By Christian Terrorists, Not Muslims'

http://occupydemocrats.com/2015/11/...ommitted-by-christian-terrorists-not-muslims/

So you have 11 baby killers since 1993 and we had 50 in one night. Yeah, that about sums up your desperation to find moral equivalence.

As for Timothy McVeigh did he commit his act in the name of Christianity? No he did not. Neither did Eric Rudolph and neither did Dylan Roof.

This smacks of desperation and lies.
 
So you have 11 baby killers since 1993 and we had 50 in one night. Yeah, that about sums up your desperation to find moral equivalence.

As for Timothy McVeigh did he commit his act in the name of Christianity? No he did not. Neither did Eric Rudolph and neither did Dylan Roof.

This smacks of desperation and lies.

Does it matter really? These murderers are Christians, Rudolph's was an act of a religious zealot. The Orlando killer didn't need religion as his act was a hate crime against gays. You see a similar hatred in the three Judaeo Christian religions, Judaism, Christianity, and Islam. Since they grew out the same traditions they include the same bogeymen. And does counting have some magic for you guys? The tenth dead person wouldn't think, well only ten are dead, not so bad. And if you read the pieces in my posts you'd have to think differently or only excuse evil when it's on your side.

"We first kill people with our minds, before we kill them with weapons. Whatever the conflict, the enemy is always the destroyer. We're on God's side; they're barbaric. We're good, they're evil." Sam Keen
 
Remember Eric Rudolph, Timothy McVeigh, and recently Robert Dear.

McVeigh for one was another of your atheists......Dear was simply a psychotic with no clear religious beliefs.....Roof killed Christians because of their beliefs......another one who sympathized with your beliefs, not ours......
 
why is the the anti-Christian bigots can never be honest when it comes to this argument?...
Why do you use strawman arguments and ad hominem logical fallacies whenever someone makes a valid point about white right wing and Christian extremist?

That your response to Midcan pointing out facts is to personally attack him as an antichristian bigot tells me he won the point and you have no logical or rational response. Yeah, that's some sound reasoning there.
 
apparently it does for you......you make up some bullshit and pretend a person is a Christian and you think it magically balances everything out.......
But he didn't make up anything. Midcan referenced well known and validated event perpetrated by extremist Christians and you're now trying a strawman logical fallacy of misrepresenting Midcans point as condemning all of Christianity when he did no such thing.
 
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