Christianity on JPP, and nationally

Yakuda said:
What's else should I call a leftist cockroach, a dimwitted dunce, a lying sack of shit, etc, etc? I'm open to suggestions. You realize dont you one of the "friendly leftist atheists" on this site has posted their hope that I be violently murdered and you have the stones to whine that I use hateful names for those that disagree with me? Forgive me if I'm not too upset. As much of a pain in the ass as I might be I have never wished I'll on anyone. Yet when "anti vaxxers" died during the pandemic leftists were so full of sympathy huh? Or when rush Limbaugh died. Stop the silliness.

BTW I disagree with you, have I called you a hateful name?
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QED on "haters never ever think they hate". I only saw the suggestion you kill yourself, not be violently murdered. Do you have the quote?

Yes you have.
 
BartenderElite said:
I think another poster made that same argument on this thread. The idea that someone else is always responsible for hateful words.

We all own the way we communicate. I have had quite a few posters on here react to my posts w/ hate, insults, name-calling & just generally vile sentiments. I'm never goaded to respond in kind.
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Good for you. The fact remains the last thing any of us needs is a lecture on politeness from a leftist. We're judged by the company we keep and I'm judged because I agree with people who support trump. You're judged because the person who has hoped for my violent murder agrees with you. That's just how it is.
 
BartenderElite said:
I think another poster made that same argument on this thread. The idea that someone else is always responsible for hateful words.

We all own the way we communicate. I have had quite a few posters on here react to my posts w/ hate, insults, name-calling & just generally vile sentiments. I'm never goaded to respond in kind.
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MAGAts, like their Orange Jesus, never take responsibility for their words or actions. They always blame someone else per the Beta Male code.
 
Doc Dutch said:
Parse all you like, neef. No one is denying polarization, especially among political extremists, which includes those advocating forced partition of Americans.
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I'm not parsing but you're being willfully dense, Oom.

You speak of forced partition when only a successful foreign invasion could accomplish that.
Even a civil war couldn't accomplish that.

I've never spoken of anything but negotiated partition, and you know it..
You just don't care about words and accuracy.

That's why you like to change other people's quotes...a reoccurring theme with you.
You wish to decide what you said and what the other party said as well.

With your disdain for words, no subsequent action you might take can make any sense either.
You could not have graduated from a good Eastern school if you were like that as a young person.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
I'm not parsing but you're being willfully dense, Oom.

You speak of forced partition when only a successful foreign invasion could accomplish that.
Even a civil war couldn't accomplish that.

I've never spoken of anything but negotiated partition, and you know it..
You just don't care about words and accuracy....
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Yes, neef. I know you have a pipe dream of the impossible; a negotiated partition of 330M Americans. That's why I ridicule it. The only way the US could be partitioned is by force.
 
Doc Dutch said:
Yes, neef. I know you have a pipe dream of the impossible; a negotiated partition of 330M Americans. That's why I ridicule it. The only way the US could be partitioned is by force.
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Right now.
Tomorrow is another day.

Possibilities may be contemplated when one's values are based on experience and reality and intelligence.
as opposed to "true believerism."

You don't have a single political value that I couldn't read from a grade school textbook.
E.E. is the same way.
I'm not just saying it.
You know it's true.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
Right now.
Tomorrow is another day.

Possibilities may be contemplated when one's values are based on experience and reality and intelligence.
as opposed to "true believerism."

You don't have a single political value that I couldn't read from a grade school textbook.
E.E. is the same way.
I'm not just saying it.
You know it's true.
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You're free to dream the impossible dream, neef. The fact you believe division is better than unity is an interesting reveal.

 
Doc Dutch said:
Yes, neef. I know you have a pipe dream of the impossible; a negotiated partition of 330M Americans. That's why I ridicule it. The only way the US could be partitioned is by force.
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I dunno. From time to time various states threaten to leave the union. California is one of them, and would likely be successful as its own nation. Texas is another. It too might be successful, at least until its oil runs out. Would the rest of the U.S. go to war to keep them as part of the country?
 
Doc Dutch said:
You're free to dream the impossible dream, neef. The fact you believe division is better than unity is an interesting reveal.
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It is indeed.

It reveals that I want people on both totally incompatible sides
to have a nation that's more like what they want.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
I dunno. From time to time various states threaten to leave the union. California is one of them, and would likely be successful as its own nation. Texas is another. It too might be successful, at least until its oil runs out. Would the rest of the U.S. go to war to keep them as part of the country?
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Yes, they make noise, but to actually pull the trigger on secession would be illegal as Congress made it after the Civil War. There won't be an actual secession because, in the US, money talks and bullshit walks. Money is also power and the powers that be won't let it happen because it would cost them too much.

More to the point is the cost and loss of trade. Border patrols, customs and tariffs are just the start. Law enforcement and national security would be the biggest hurdles. As usual, the people to lose the most would be those with the least to lose. The rich would be less rich, but the poor would be even poorer as both costs and taxes rose to compensate for financial losses.

A modern example is Brexit. Are the Brits better off or worse off now? It appears they are worse off.

Jan 3rd 2023
https://www.economist.com/britain/2023/01/03/the-impact-of-brexit-in-charts
The impact of Brexit, in charts
How has leaving the EU affected Britain?
It is still too soon to assess Brexit’s long-run effects. But the evidence so far shows that it has hurt.

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NiftyNiblick said:
It is indeed.

It reveals that I want people on both totally incompatible sides
to have a nation that's more like what they want.
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You're listening to a loud-mouthed minority of nutjobs and malcontents. Ask all of your neighbors about secession and if they think it's a good or bad idea. Most won't know or will just look at you like you're an idiot.
 
Doc Dutch said:
You're listening to a loud-mouthed minority of nutjobs and malcontents. Ask all of your neighbors about secession and if they think it's a good or bad idea. Most won't know or will just look at you like you're an idiot.
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We're not going to understand one another, Oom.

I can't think like a true believer--I value the evaluation of facts too much--

and at the same time, whether I'm right or wrong about this,

I can't imagine you thinking any other way.

As I mentioned before, every value you have can be taken directly from a grade school textbook.
Those are written for children, and even then, often not well.

What I do know for sure is that if places like Texas and Florida have a lot of input,
American will NEVER be a sophisticated, progressive nation.


As impractical as partition may seem,
long term, it's inevitable.

The status quo has no long term sustainability.
Whether you feel it or not, the hatred is palpable and getting stronger.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
We're not going to understand one another, Oom.

I can't think like a true believer--I value the evaluation of facts too much--

and at the same time, whether I'm right or wrong about this,

I can't imagine you thinking any other way.

As I mentioned before, every value you have can be taken directly from a grade school textbook.
Those are written for children, and even then, often not well.

What I do know for sure is that if places like Texas and Florida have a lot of input,
American will NEVER be a sophisticated, progressive nation.


As impractical as partition may seem,
long term, it's inevitable.

The status quo has no long term sustainability.
Whether you feel it or not, the hatred is palpable and getting stronger.
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You're free to believe a pipe dream is reality and that you, and only you, have an accurate vision of the future, neef. I'm more inclined to reason and practicality. Human beings often act out of self-interest. This could be moral self-interest or physical.

One thing you and I might agree upon is the lack of selflessness in American society in favor of "What's in it for me?" This often revolves around money as many JPP MAGAts love to demonstrate. Duty, honor, country are passé in most sectors of American society. For many, it's all about having nice cars, big TVs, hot GFs, jewelry and any other examples of material wealth. Ideology comes second to personal gain and, again as MAGAts often demonstrate, the ideology is often focused upon what is best for themselves, not what is best for the nation.

When it comes to partitioning, while several MAGAts and yourself favor it, when it comes down to the nitty-gritty most will want to see what's in it for them. Again, this will be financially based, not morally based. Texas has had a few religious groups partition themselves off into their own compounds. Same for Utah and LDS fundamentalists. White Supremacists have moved to Idaho to live in their compounds. These are minority groups and getting millions of American to agree to such a thing would be highly unlikely once they see what they'd lose and what it'd cost them.
 
Doc Dutch said:
You're free to believe a pipe dream is reality and that you, and only you, have an accurate vision of the future, neef. I'm more inclined to reason and practicality. Human beings often act out of self-interest. This could be moral self-interest or physical.

One thing you and I might agree upon is the lack of selflessness in American society in favor of "What's in it for me?" This often revolves around money as many JPP MAGAts love to demonstrate. Duty, honor, country are passé in most sectors of American society. For many, it's all about having nice cars, big TVs, hot GFs, jewelry and any other examples of material wealth. Ideology comes second to personal gain and, again as MAGAts often demonstrate, the ideology is often focused upon what is best for themselves, not what is best for the nation.

When it comes to partitioning, while several MAGAts and yourself favor it, when it comes down to the nitty-gritty most will want to see what's in it for them. Again, this will be financially based, not morally based. Texas has had a few religious groups partition themselves off into their own compounds. Same for Utah and LDS fundamentalists. White Supremacists have moved to Idaho to live in their compounds. These are minority groups and getting millions of American to agree to such a thing would be highly unlikely once they see what they'd lose and what it'd cost them.
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You KNOW my motivation.
More people getting what they want in terms of societal values.

I'm all set, nice and comfy, an old man who never really left home,
and that's the name of that tune.

But unlike you, I don't think that all people are inherently the same.
I think people want specific things, and it goes way beyond self-interest.
They have different moral compasses and genuinely disagree as to what's right and wrong.
American is a nation of incompatible people.

In the end, I don't think that you're a very ideological guy. You're a loyal guy,
but you were pretty much told to what you should be loyal and you said, Sounds good to me.

You were content with the values you were taught and never set out to test them.
You thought it unpatriotic to imagine that something could be better,
and that in some places, it actually is.
If you've been abroad, you've seen it with your own eyes and not acknowledged it.

I've had a lifetime of experiences, and you have as well,
but mine showed me things I was never taught,
and I was willing to acknowledge that. To actually see those things.

I don't say trite thing like diversity is our strength
when racism tears us apart.

I don't say that America is the best at everything when I can very clearly see that it's not.

I don't think socialism is bad because somebody told me it's a scary word.
I see where different lines separating the private and public sectors have created standards of living superior to ours.

If people truly want different things and think that different things are important,
I think that as many as possible should get what they want.

That's never going to happen in our present republic.
 
NiftyNiblick said:
You KNOW my motivation.
More people getting what they want in terms of societal values.....
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Not sure about your motivation, but human nature can be seen in a two year old. Anything more sophisticated than that is taught or learned by experience.

Rant and projections snipped as a form of public masturbation. Regardless, getting 330M Americans to peacefully partition themselves in your fantasy world will never happen. Division creates conflict, unification helps resolve it.
 
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