Christianity, the religion for anti-intellectuals.

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As I said earlier I don't consider "revelation" to be anything more than human imagination. I know that may sound insulting since clearly it is very important to you. I mean no offense.

However "revelation" is almost the antithesis of intellectualism. I would be more than happy for someone to explain their position by using logic and objective truths which all have access to. But hidden knowledge parsed out to random individuals is the worst way God could choose to communicate with his people.
 
What the hell is natural philosophy?

“Natural philosophy” is often used by historians of science as an umbrella term to designate the study of nature before it could easily be identified with what we call “science” today. This is done to avoid the modern and potentially anachronistic connotations of the term “science.”

Cambridge University Press

 
As I said earlier I don't consider "revelation" to be anything more than human imagination. I know that may sound insulting since clearly it is very important to you. I mean no offense.

However "revelation" is almost the antithesis of intellectualism. I would be more than happy for someone to explain their position by using logic and objective truths which all have access to. But hidden knowledge parsed out to random individuals is the worst way God could choose to communicate with his people.
When they Holy Spirit reveals things you never heard of or have learned,how can that be imagination?
 
When they Holy Spirit reveals things you never heard of or have learned,how can that be imagination?

Please do not take this with any offense but I simply don't believe that happened.

Here's why:

IF there is a God then He doesn't communicate selectively to individuals thus making their declarations indifferentiable from that person either being mistaken or deluded or simply making it up.

God, as advertised as being "good", would not hide anything from his most beloved creation. And He wouldn't then make any hidden information somehow the difference between salvation and damnation.

A God who WOULD do these things is not worthy of worship. It is not a logically defensible "God" concept and as such makes no theological sense sufficient for me to throw away any doubts I might have about his existence.

I also KNOW that we as humans can easily deceive ourselves even quite honestly. We want so much for some stuff to be true that we imagine it is. I also know we can ACCIDENTALLY be deceived by our wishes as well.

So I mean no offense when I say that I simply don't believe what you think was some communication from God was actually that.
 
Please do not take this with any offense but I simply don't believe that happened.

Here's why:

IF there is a God then He doesn't communicate selectively to individuals thus making their declarations indifferentiable from that person either being mistaken or deluded or simply making it up.

God, as advertised as being "good", would not hide anything from his most beloved creation. And He wouldn't then make any hidden information somehow the difference between salvation and damnation.

A God who WOULD do these things is not worthy of worship. It is not a logically defensible "God" concept and as such makes no theological sense sufficient for me to throw away any doubts I might have about his existence.

I also KNOW that we as humans can easily deceive ourselves even quite honestly. We want so much for some stuff to be true that we imagine it is. I also know we can ACCIDENTALLY be deceived by our wishes as well.

So I mean no offense when I say that I simply don't believe what you think was some communication from God was actually that.
Wow ,you've made up quite the rule book for YHWH!
 
Wow ,you've made up quite the rule book for YHWH!

Perhaps I have. I just don't really like a "duplicitous" God. I find that to be a repulsive idea....truly the definition of evil. Which is why I outright reject that form of God as even a rational starting point for the discussion.

I don't believe in God but if someone were to be able to propose a God that is not only evidenced but LOGICAL I would be willing to reconsider my position.

A god who plays games with ultimate knowledge and punishes ME for failing to have the universal knowledge He has is NOT a god worthy of worship.
 
At least Christians don't bang their head on the floor 5 times a day while mooning a rock in a box at the bottom of a football stadium...
 
At least Christians don't bang their head on the floor 5 times a day while mooning a rock in a box at the bottom of a football stadium...

Nah, Christians just go to a building where they can lovingly gaze at a life-size statue of someone being tortured to death and sing praise hymns to a God who was so angry at his creation that he turned himself into himself and visited earth as both himself and not himself simultaneously, in a tiny desert corner of a colony of Rome and arranged to have the people of that area sacrifice him to himself so that people might have the ability to atone themselves to the God who just arranged to have himself killed as a sacrifice to himself.

And pancake dinners.
 
Nah, Christians just go to a building where they can lovingly gaze at a life-size statue of someone being tortured to death and sing praise hymns to a God who was so angry at his creation that he turned himself into himself and visited earth as both himself and not himself simultaneously, in a tiny desert corner of a colony of Rome and arranged to have the people of that area sacrifice him to himself so that people might have the ability to atone themselves to the God who just arranged to have himself killed as a sacrifice to himself.

And pancake dinners.
Christians? No. That's Catholics and Eastern Orthodox. Christians don't do the whole graven image thing or idolatry.
 
Christians? No. That's Catholics and Eastern Orthodox. Christians don't do the whole graven image thing or idolatry.

Catholics and Eastern Orthodox are Christians.

I love how quickly you guys jump into PHARISEE mode. Parsin' the laws and the rules and the defintions. Oooo it's so thrilling.

Give it a rest. Your religion is just as made up as the religion you attempted to slam in your posts. And just as weird.
 
Catholics and Eastern Orthodox are Christians.

I love how quickly you guys jump into PHARISEE mode. Parsin' the laws and the rules and the defintions. Oooo it's so thrilling.

Give it a rest. Your religion is just as made up as the religion you attempted to slam in your posts. And just as weird.
I'm Shen Buddhist so I have no skin in this game.
 
Somehow I doubt that, but I'll play along. Why did you differentiate between what Muslims do and what Christians do if you don't have any dog in the fight over which is more rational?
Because each group does different things in different ways. You are singling out one specific group and calling them insane while ignoring all the others. It is also clear you don't bother to differentiate between different practices, such as your claim that (all) Christians pray to a crucifix, eg., idol or icon, when that isn't true.
 
Because each group does different things in different ways. You are singling out one specific group and calling them insane while ignoring all the others.

But your post was phrased "at least Christians aren't...." then you proceeded to characterize the Muslims in the most pejorative manner possible. Actually kinda puts the lie to your claim not to have a dog in this fight.

It is also clear you don't bother to differentiate between different practices, such as your claim that (all) Christians pray to a crucifix, eg., idol or icon, when that isn't true.

I never said "ALL" Christians. Just many. And even the ones who don't enjoy the body on the cross, all the Christian churches prominently feature as the centerpiece of their churches an instrument of torture and death. And SURELY you know that even those Christian sects who don't believe in literal transsubstantiation, still METAPHORICALLY drink blood and eat flesh as a sacrament.

And I note how you are obsessing on the crucifix bit but you aren't touching the bit that is central to ALL CHRISTIANS. They believe God sacrificed himself to himself to atone himself to mankind which he made by a miracle but apparently couldn't pull off another miracle to atone us to him.

But do please tell me all about your deeeeeep Shen Buddhist faith.
 
But your post was phrased "at least Christians aren't...." then you proceeded to characterize the Muslims in the most pejorative manner possible. Actually kinda puts the lie to your claim not to have a dog in this fight.

It's called hyperbole. It's a form of sarcasm. I know, as a Leftist you have no sense of humor so you couldn't grasp that.
I never said "ALL" Christians. Just many. And even the ones who don't enjoy the body on the cross, all the Christian churches prominently feature as the centerpiece of their churches an instrument of torture and death. And SURELY you know that even those Christian sects who don't believe in literal transsubstantiation, still METAPHORICALLY drink blood and eat flesh as a sacrament.

And I note how you are obsessing on the crucifix bit but you aren't touching the bit that is central to ALL CHRISTIANS. They believe God sacrificed himself to himself to atone himself to mankind which he made by a miracle but apparently couldn't pull off another miracle to atone us to him.

But do please tell me all about your deeeeeep Shen Buddhist faith.

Deep? No. Shen is a Japanese variant. The temple I attend was built by Japanese who were interned in Arizona during WW 2. It's more social than anything.
 
You are incoherent. Please learn English grammar.
Paul thought he was living at the end of time, and people needed to prepare for the imminent kingdom of God.
Explain why you believe Paul should have been educating people in literacy, logic, and the maths given that context.

As a general rule, peasants, slaves, laborers, aka Paul's laity, are not intellectuals either then or now.

Anyone who has read Romans knows Paul is not an ignoramus.

Pope Francis is probably the most highly educated leader of a nation-state on the planet.

Western science and intellectual history is heavily in debt to Medieval Christian scholasticism, logic, natural philosophy, and the Catholic universities. Scholasticism inculcated a habit of disputation, logic, and skeptical inquiry which in many ways still undergirds modern science. That kind of organized disputation, logic, skeptical inquiry was unique to Europe and is probably a major reason empirical science first developed uniquely in Europe rather than anywhere else.

The problem is, most of us were taught in junior high school in the 1960s, 70s, ad 80s, that the Medieval period was a "dark age" utterly devoid of anything intellectually interesting and really just worth forgetting about. Anyone who has read the historical literature of the last 40 years, knows the High and Late Medieval Age was a dynamic period of European history pregnant with historically important developments in natural philosophy, logic, disputation, and skeptical inquiry which are largely attributable to Christian institutional evolution.
being a nut makes your teachings nutty.
 
But your post was phrased "at least Christians aren't...." then you proceeded to characterize the Muslims in the most pejorative manner possible. Actually kinda puts the lie to your claim not to have a dog in this fight.



I never said "ALL" Christians. Just many. And even the ones who don't enjoy the body on the cross, all the Christian churches prominently feature as the centerpiece of their churches an instrument of torture and death. And SURELY you know that even those Christian sects who don't believe in literal transsubstantiation, still METAPHORICALLY drink blood and eat flesh as a sacrament.

And I note how you are obsessing on the crucifix bit but you aren't touching the bit that is central to ALL CHRISTIANS. They believe God sacrificed himself to himself to atone himself to mankind which he made by a miracle but apparently couldn't pull off another miracle to atone us to him.

But do please tell me all about your deeeeeep Shen Buddhist faith.
the important part is the golden rule.

that's just basic morality found amongst all humanity, without miracles anywhere nearby.
 
It's called hyperbole. It's a form of sarcasm. I know, as a Leftist you have no sense of humor so you couldn't grasp that.


Deep? No. Shen is a Japanese variant. The temple I attend was built by Japanese who were interned in Arizona during WW 2. It's more social than anything.

Yeah, sorry. Not buyin' it.
 
Perhaps I have. I just don't really like a "duplicitous" God. I find that to be a repulsive idea....truly the definition of evil. Which is why I outright reject that form of God as even a rational starting point for the discussion.

I don't believe in God but if someone were to be able to propose a God that is not only evidenced but LOGICAL I would be willing to reconsider my position.

A god who plays games with ultimate knowledge and punishes ME for failing to have the universal knowledge He has is NOT a god worthy of worship.
So you're furious with a God ,that you don't believe in!
Interesting spin!
 
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