Scott
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How have I allegedly gaslighted you?
CIA Director John Ratcliffe confirms that John Brennan, James Comey, and Hillary Clinton are likely to be INDICTED over their involvement in Russia
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How have I allegedly gaslighted you?
LurchAddams
There Can be Only One!
THERE IS NO RUSSIAGATE! OBAMA CONCEDED THE 2016 ELECTION TO TRUMP AND LEFT OFFICE PEACEFULLY!
LurchAddams
There Can be Only One!
Every time you suggest Obama attempted a coup for an election he conceded.
Scott
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You remind me of Pam Bondi saying there are no Epstein files
. Look, if it makes you sleep better at night, you can keep on believing that, but the truth isn't necessarily comfortable for your party.The fact that Russiagate failed to change the outcome of the elections doesn't change the fact that the Obama Administration falsely accused Russia of trying to swing the 2016 elections in Trump's favour. Not only that, but the democratic establishment continued with this nonsense well into Trump's first term. That, in turn, may well have played a role in Trump deciding to start arming Ukraine. Aaron Mate wrote a good article about the subject shortly after Russia's military operation in Ukraine began. It can be seen here:
Siding With Ukraine’s Far-Right, US Sabotaged Zelensky’s Peace Mandate
In 2019, Zelensky was elected on an overwhelming mandate to make peace with Russia. As Stephen F. Cohen warned that year, the US chose to side with Ukraine’s far-right and fuel war.
scheerpost.com
Scott
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Now you're just putting words in my mouth. I never said any such thing. I do believe that Obama was deeply involved in Russiagate, though. If you'd like to learn how he was involved, I encourage you to read the following article, which was just published a few days ago:
US intel hid high-level doubts about "Russian interference", docs reveal
The NSA and FBI expressed "low confidence" that Russia hacked and leaked DNC emails to help Trump, documents show. US intelligence leaders concealed this dissent and told a different story.
substack.com
LurchAddams
There Can be Only One!
You remind me of Pam Bondi saying there are no Epstein files
The fact that Russiagate failed to change the outcome of the elections doesn't change the fact that the Obama Administration falsely accused Russia of trying to swing the 2016 elections in Trump's favour.
Russia DID try to help trump! A Republican-led Senate investigation concluded they did. Roger Stone went to jail for it.
LurchAddams
There Can be Only One!
You already posted that article. Look at the biography of the author. He's a fringe lunatic.Now you're just putting words in my mouth. I never said any such thing. I do believe that Obama was deeply involved in Russiagate, though. If you'd like to learn how he was involved, I encourage you to read the following article, which was just published a few days ago:
US intel hid high-level doubts about "Russian interference", docs reveal
The NSA and FBI expressed "low confidence" that Russia hacked and leaked DNC emails to help Trump, documents show. US intelligence leaders concealed this dissent and told a different story.
LurchAddams
There Can be Only One!
That there was no cooperation between Trump's campaign and Russia. There certainly was!
Scott
Verified User
Prove it then.
That doesn't prove anything, but tell me, those who went with Russiagate, where those mainly Trump Republicans or anti-Trump Republicans?
Yes. So, if he were innocent, what would it say about those who sent him there?
Scott
Verified User
True.You already posted that article.Now you're just putting words in my mouth. I never said any such thing. I do believe that Obama was deeply involved in Russiagate, though. If you'd like to learn how he was involved, I encourage you to read the following article, which was just published a few days ago:
US intel hid high-level doubts about "Russian interference", docs reveal
The NSA and FBI expressed "low confidence" that Russia hacked and leaked DNC emails to help Trump, documents show. US intelligence leaders concealed this dissent and told a different story.
I have.
I strongly disagree with your assertion.
Scott
Verified User
Prove it then.
LurchAddams
There Can be Only One!
Good. Enjoy going down that "Obama Russiagate" rabbit-hole!
LurchAddams
There Can be Only One!
I keep telling you, both Mueller and the Republican senate already did "prove it"!
Key Findings of the Mueller Report | ACS
www.acslaw.org
The Special Counsel investigation uncovered extensive criminal activity
- The investigation produced 37 indictments; seven guilty pleas or convictions; and compelling evidence that the president obstructed justice on multiple occasions. Mueller also uncovered and referred 14 criminal matters to other components of the Department of Justice.
- Trump associates repeatedly lied to investigators about their contacts with Russians, and President Trump refused to answer questions about his efforts to impede federal proceedings and influence the testimony of witnesses.
- A statement signed by over 1,000 former federal prosecutors concluded that if any other American engaged in the same efforts to impede federal proceedings the way Trump did, they would likely be indicted for multiple charges of obstruction of justice.
Russia engaged in extensive attacks on the U.S. election system in 2016
- Russian interference in the 2016 election was “sweeping and systemic.”[1]
- Major attack avenues included a social media “information warfare” campaign that “favored” candidate Trump[2] and the hacking of Clinton campaign-related databases and release of stolen materials through Russian-created entities and Wikileaks.[3]
- Russia also targeted databases in many states related to administering elections gaining access to information for millions of registered voters.[4]
Scott
Verified User
Something doesn't have to be enjoyable to be true and it's true that ignorance -can- be bliss, at least temporarily. But I think that generally speaking, this goes something like the saying, the bigger they are, the harder they fall. It can be pretty embarassing when one is one of the few that hasn't yet figured out that a story is false. I'll leave you to it.
LurchAddams
There Can be Only One!
Something doesn't have to be true to be enjoyable - which, sadly is the path you and many other trump-loving conspiracy nuts have taken.
Yes, I remember when people in the Bush administration called "ignorant" anyone who dared claim Saddam didn't have nukes. I remember yesterday when anyone who dared contradict the trump lie that the 2020 election was stolen was automatically considered a "RINO".
LOL - so now - you're accusing me of being closed-minded over a conspiracy theory I just showed you proof is false. Son, if you're capable of shame, now would be the time to show it.
I am not the least bit ashamed of refusing to carry an evil autocrats water.
Scott
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No, it definitely didn't. This is why Tulsi Gabbard's testimony is so important. As I've mentioned before, Aaron Mate exposes the flaws in Mueller's report. Below, I quote a recent article he wrote where he exposes said flaws. I've highlighted Mueller's name in orange when it's mentioned to make it easier to find:
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“Low Confidence” in Core Allegation
Until now, the purported U.S. intelligence consensus on Russian meddling has been conveyed to the public in three seminal reports.The first was a January 2017 intelligence community assessment (ICA) released in the final days of the Obama administration under the direction of Brennan and then-Director of National Intelligence James Clapper. The ICA accused Russian President Vladimir Putin of ordering an “influence campaign” to “denigrate” Democratic candidate Clinton and “help” Trump win the 2016 election. Some of this effort involved propaganda on Russian media outlets and messaging on social media.
The larger component hinged on the allegation that the GRU, Russia’s main intelligence agency, stole emails and documents from the Democratic Party and released that material principally via two online entities, DCLeaks and Guccifer 2.0, as well as the whistleblower organization WikiLeaks. Julian Assange, the founder of WikiLeaks, has long denied that Russia or any other state actor was his source. Nevertheless, the January 2017 ICA stated that U.S. intelligence had “high confidence” that Russia engineered the hack.
The Mueller report, issued more than two years later, advanced the ICA’s claims with even more confidence and specificity. A bipartisan Senate intelligence review, released in August 2020, endorsed the ICA and Mueller reports and was widely treated as a vindication of the conduct of the intelligence officials behind them.
The documents newly declassified by Gabbard show that the ICA, Mueller, and Senate reports all excluded the intelligence community’s own secretly identified doubts and evidentiary gaps on the core allegation of Russian meddling.
In a previously unpublished Intelligence Community Assessment circulated within the government on Sept. 12, 2016 (hereafter “September ICA”), the FBI and NSA expressed “low confidence” that Russia was behind the hack and release of Democratic Party emails. U.S. intelligence agencies, the report explained, “lack sufficient technical details” to link the stolen Democratic Party material released by WikiLeaks and other sources “to Russian state-sponsored actors.”
The joint FBI-NSA dissent was especially significant given their central role in investigating Russia’s alleged cyber meddling. With its sweeping foreign surveillance capability, the NSA is the agency best positioned to assess the source of the alleged hacking of the Democratic National Committee (DNC) and Democratic Congressional Campaign Committee (DCCC). Meanwhile, the FBI took the lead in probing the cyber-theft and release of stolen material from the Democratic Party networks. The private acknowledgment that these two agencies did not have the “technical” data to link the hacking to Russia bolsters longstanding criticism, overlooked by legacy media, that the “Russian interference” allegations lacked supporting evidence.
Contrary to subsequent assertions, the September ICA shows that the U.S. intelligence community had no hard evidence that Putin ordered the theft of Democratic Party material as part of an influence campaign to help Trump.
“If the disclosures of the DNC and DCCC documents were indeed orchestrated by the Russian intelligence services,” the report stated, “those services would very likely have sought Putin’s approval for the operation.” This passage indicates that U.S. intelligence declined to endorse assertions promoted by Brennan and leaked to the media during Trump’s first term, that a highly placed Kremlin mole captured Putin’s orders to meddle in the 2016 election in support of Trump. The alleged mole was later identified as a mid-level Kremlin official named Oleg Smolenkov, who left Russia to live in the Virginia suburbs under his own name.
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Source:
US intel hid high-level doubts about "Russian interference", docs reveal
The NSA and FBI expressed "low confidence" that Russia hacked and leaked DNC emails to help Trump, documents show. US intelligence leaders concealed this dissent and told a different story.
www.aaronmate.net
Scott
Verified User
I personally think that elected officials do have -some- power, but I also think that Russiagate shows how when it comes to certain issues, political operatives on both sides of the board can colludge to denigrate the truth. There are many things I don't like about Trump and his Administration, but I'm happy to say that Tulsi Gabbard's work in uncovering the Russiagate fraud is definitely not one of them.
In the WEF New World order the elected only have say over the trivial.....all matters of importance are to be decided by a global Mandarin class....Bureaucrats.
You see this very clearly in what they are trying to do with WHO.
Scott
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I suppose, but that New World order has not yet arrived. As I've said before, I'm not a fan of many parts of the Trump Administration, but I definitely think that Tulsi Gabbard has done some good work in regards to Russiagate.