CNN Poll: 56% of Americans Say DACA Is Not Worth a Government Shutdown

Irish said:
Even liberal CNN can't muster a poll that supports this BS shutdown. Schumer and the Dims are staging a stupid tantrum. And the American people aren't buying it.
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Trump is the one who shot down Graham and Durbin, after he said he would sign what they brought to him. He lied, yet, again. 4 Republicans don’t support the current Senate bill. McConnell won’t bring measures to pay military to the floor. Seems like it’s not just Schumer.
 
Royal Highness said:
i am not a trump conservative. I am a libertarian that sometimes appreciates the pragmatics of what trump does (SC nominations), and I do like his trolling.

The poll is the poll. You are free to interpret it however you wish.
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Honestly, you should stop trying to argue this.

You are a Trump guy.
 
Darth Omar said:
Thing of it is, the out of power party is *supposed* to gain ground in the mid terms. In 2010 democrats got the shellacking instead of just losing some ground.

Anything less than a democrat led shellacking in 2018 will be [well, should be lol. The partisans will celebrate a modest gain] a cause for concern on their part.

The polls are narrowing because this makes two consecutive missteps for democrats: the First was opposing a tax bill that Bill Clinton would have scored big on; and now democrats are putting the interests of illegal aliens ahead of everything else.

2018 is far from decided. There’s a lot of game yet to be played—to keep with the NFL play off theme.
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what is worrisome is the Republican retirees in the House, but yes there is along way to go
 
Illegal immigration is bad for any country.

DACA was not passed legislatively- it’s always required legislative action. The president is right to demand it. I know a few “dreamers”- good, decent people. They arrived here illegally through no fault of their own. Still, they are here illegally. Creating some sort of pathway to citizenship should be provided legislatively.

An idea:
1. A time frame needs to be created for qualified persons. For instance, any persons arriving as children between 1990 - 2018. Have not committed any crimes, are employed, or supported by an employed person, are qualified to get in line for citizenship.

2. You must maintain a crime free record to remain in line.

3. You are ineligiable for public assistance while in line.

4. You must obtain a special ID for driving, banking, or traveling domestically.

5. At the end of 10 years, you can apply for citizenship.
 
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J Craft said:
Illegal immigration is bad for any country.

DACA was not passed legislatively- it’s always required legislative action. The president is right to demand it. I know a few “dreamers”- good, decent people. They arrived here illegally through no fault of their own. Still, they are here illegally. Creating some sort of pathway to citizenship should be provided legislatively.

An idea:
1. A time frame needs to be created for qualified persons. For instance, any persons arriving as children between 1990 - 2018. Have not committed any crimes, are employed, or supported by an employed person, are qualified to get in line for citizenship.

2. You must maintain a crime free record to remain in line.

3. You are ineligiable for public assistance while in line.

4. You must obtain a special ID for driving, banking, or traveling domestically.

5. At the end of 10 years, you can apply for citizenship.
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You contradicted yourself, you first say illegal immigration is bad, then praise DACA people you know, so which is it?
 
Phantasmal said:
You contradicted yourself, you first say illegal immigration is bad, then praise DACA people you know, so which is it?
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Liking people doesn't mean I have to like how they got here? That isn't a contradiction, that's just living in the real world, where a lot of gray exists. We find ourselves in the situation of having to deal with real people, so we need to come up with real solutions that deal with those people, but also holds them accountable to our laws.
 
Phantasmal said:
That would hurt Republicans as well, I guess you don’t understand just how many poor whites use the safety nets, you think it’s only blacks.
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sigh.....why do you pretend somebody mentioned race........it make you look like such a pile of worthless shit when you make up things like that......
 
Thing1 said:
Honestly, you should stop trying to argue this.

You are a Trump guy.
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when have I ever been afraid to say what I think or what I mean or what I believe?

For me to describe myself as "someones guy" or an official supporter, I have to be fervently all in on them At least on like 90%+ of the issues. At least that's how I perceive it. Perhaps the definition is different for yourself and that is why there is break down. But for me there are some seriously contrasting issues that I feel very strongly about. For starters, I am not a protectionist. I believe in free trade (as long as we aren't tangling ourselves in webs of weird ass trade alliances where unelected euro bureaucrats can determine our own economic policy, that isn't "free" to me). I am also very in favor of net neutrality as I have said many times on here, and I am against the drug war. I am also against the NSA spying and the massive 4th amendment violations this administration is helping to partake in (though to be fair both sides do this one so it cancels out for me).

I really don't care what you think. I love trump for his twitter, his taxes, his judges, and his FU to the world. That shit is great for me. And truthfully he probably HAS delivered for me more than any other president in my life time. But I am very strict on what I say I "support." If I have major serious disagreements on numerous issues of policy, I don't consider myself a supporter. However, I do enjoy him and think he's doing a pretty good job. I concede that.
 
Royal Highness said:
when have I ever been afraid to say what I think or what I mean or what I believe?

For me to describe myself as "someones guy" or an official supporter, I have to be fervently all in on them At least on like 90%+ of the issues. At least that's how I perceive it. Perhaps the definition is different for yourself and that is why there is break down. But for me there are some seriously contrasting issues that I feel very strongly about. For starters, I am not a protectionist. I believe in free trade (as long as we aren't tangling ourselves in webs of weird ass trade alliances where unelected euro bureaucrats can determine our own economic policy, that isn't "free" to me). I am also very in favor of net neutrality as I have said many times on here, and I am against the drug war. I am also against the NSA spying and the massive 4th amendment violations this administration is helping to partake in (though to be fair both sides do this one so it cancels out for me).

I really don't care what you think. I love trump for his twitter, his taxes, his judges, and his FU to the world. That shit is great for me. And truthfully he probably HAS delivered for me more than any other president in my life time. But I am very strict on what I say I "support." If I have major serious disagreements on numerous issues of policy, I don't consider myself a supporter. However, I do enjoy him and think he's doing a pretty good job. I concede that.
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It's more a "defense" thing. Within the context of JPP, you're not objective about him. You're as protective of him as his most ardent defenders.

I think you know this; you sort of relish the role, but I'm not sure it's possible to take that stance here and then pretend your straddling some imaginary fence because of disagreements on some of the issues.

It's no biggie, but you're not really distinguishable from the average Trump apologist on here.
 
Liberals obviously are hoping that if they repeat that the GOP is responsible for the shut down and that if they say it enough times, they can make it the truth; but they're going to have a difficult time convincing people that DACA was a reason to try and kill the Budget Bill, which had nothing to do with DACA.

:truestory:
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
Liberals obviously are hoping that if they repeat that the GOP is responsible for the shut down and that if they say it enough times, they can make it the truth; but they're going to have a difficult time convincing people that DACA was a reason to try and kill the Budget Bill, which had nothing to do with DACA.

:truestory:
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The political problem for democrats is that there are two separate issues at work: one is who is responsible for the shutdown.

Even if they succeed in pinning that tail on the republican donkey it doesn’t mitigate the second issue: democrats are putting the interests of illegal aliens ahead of voters. And they can’t spin their way out of it.

What would compel democrats to go to the mat, politically, for DACA? They won’t/can’t admit it because it would be political suicide for them, but they need an influx of poor immigrants to maintain power.
 
Royal Highness said:
Americans might support DACA, but not to the level where they are willing to shutdown the government over it. The numbers people quote, like 90%, are that they probably are only 90% "sure whatever" when it comes to the issue. Not full on passionate. This is reflected in the current CNN poll where they would rather have government open than care about cheater dreamers.



https://townhall.com/tipsheet/timot...-is-not-worth-a-government-shut-down-n2437156
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Dreamers are a side bar and a deflection.

What democrats are really fighting for is chain migration and the diversity lottery or whatever it is they call it. And the longer this shutdown drags on, the more people are going to realize what it’s really about.

800,000 Dreamers won’t swing an election but the status quo immigration policy can and will.
 
No matter what you do, no matter how hard you fight it, America will get Browner and Blacker with or without you and there're "no" Law that's going to Stop Brown and Black People from Multiplying and Mixing and Diluting with White's.

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Royal Highness said:
Americans might support DACA, but not to the level where they are willing to shutdown the government over it. The numbers people quote, like 90%, are that they probably are only 90% "sure whatever" when it comes to the issue. Not full on passionate. This is reflected in the current CNN poll where they would rather have government open than care about cheater dreamers.



https://townhall.com/tipsheet/timot...-is-not-worth-a-government-shut-down-n2437156
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Therefore Republicans shouldn't have done it.
 
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