Coal Keeps Winning! 4 West Mine (Greene County, PA) Closing - 370 Jobs

floridafan said:
With cheaper, cleaner, and more efficient alternatives, coal never had a chance to come back. I am sure the miners will remember trumps promises and his failure to accomplish anything.
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In this case, it's ironic that the nat. gas industry has ravaged the Pa. landscape, and the companies have raped those who signed contracts with them.
 
katzgar said:
much of the production and jobs has already gone away. you need to get real. http://ieefa.org/natural-gas-plant-closures-challenge-coal-2018/

Can you do math? In Jan. 2012 there were 90,000 jobs in the US now there are 50,000. In 2009 1,200 million short tons were produced. In 2015 750 million short tons were produced. Do you get the drift.
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Hello katzgar,

Interesting numbers. Coal Employment has been cut nearly in half. Production levels have not dropped as much.

50,000/90,000 (x100%) = 55%

750/1200 (x100%) = 62.5%

That's the difference attributable to automation.

62.5 - 55 = 7.5

7.5% of coal jobs lost have been lost to automation. The rest to competition from cleaner/more affordable energy.
 
Nordberg said:
Hillary wanted to train them in solar energy. They laughed at that.
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They laughed because trump promised them that they'd all be working again.

And that they'd have 'much better insurance at a fraction of the cost'.

And that he'd be bringing manufacturing back to the U.S.

And that he'd end carried interest.
 
Darth Omar said:
Yeah, coal will never be what it was [the miners knew that better than Hillary] but coal wasn’t as dead as Obama was making it. Even a modest increase in coal mining jobs in a small state like WV, matters. Those are good paying jobs and for every coal job there are several, good paying jobs, in the support trades.
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I didn't hear trump promise that one out of every 20 coal miners will get their job back.
 
ThatOwlWoman said:
We live outside a smallish city on the shores of Lake Superior. Our coal-fired plant in town (Presque Isle) will be decommissioned soon. It's being replaced by a huge natural gas-fired plant, which also has a solar farm on the property. Town ppl on that grid can buy a share of the solar farm and have their electric bill decreased. In addition, new wind farms are being established in the Upper Peninsula, where it's plenty windy most of the time. The coal plants have seen their day. Unfortunately they left their mark behind; all of the Great Lakes as well as many inland lakes are contaminated with mercury.
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And we in the Northeast have that mercury benefit in every body of water...thanks in large part to the coal fired plants west of us.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello katzgar,

Interesting numbers. Coal Employment has been cut nearly in half. Production levels have not dropped as much.

50,000/90,000 (x100%) = 55%

750/1200 (x100%) = 62.5%

That's the difference attributable to automation.

62.5 - 55 = 7.5

7.5% of coal jobs lost have been lost to automation. The rest to competition from cleaner/more affordable energy.
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a 62.5% drop in production since 2008 isnt much? https://www.eia.gov/coal/annual/
 
Althea said:
And we in the Northeast have that mercury benefit in every body of water...thanks in large part to the coal fired plants west of us.
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Hello and greetings Althea,

Sad, that.

So many conservative wrongs for liberals to right.

There was actually a time when many conservatives believed climate change was real. That was before the Right Wing Propaganda Machine RWPM cranked up on the issue. As soon as people realized how much money was on the line (fossil energy profits to be lost) the RWPM cranked up, the crony corporate capitalism kicked in, and presto: climate change became an American left/right issue. Just like that. So many wrongs...
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello and greetings Althea,

Sad, that.

So many conservative wrongs for liberals to right.

There was actually a time when many conservatives believed climate change was real. That was before the Right Wing Propaganda Machine RWPM cranked up on the issue. As soon as people realized how much money was on the line (fossil energy profits to be lost) the RWPM cranked up, the crony corporate capitalism kicked in, and presto: climate change became an American left/right issue. Just like that. So many wrongs...
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Many of our policies tend to focus on jobs that eventually lead to votes. Our corn policy is ridiculous, but the entire middle of the country votes based on the continued ability to produce crops that wouldn't be feasible without govt. subsidies.

Energy is no different.
 
Althea said:
Not all Boomers are trump ass lickers. He is, but many aren't.
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That's true but the great preponderance are trumpsters. What I'm sitting at a lunch counter near Baton Rouge and there's a black woman next to me who tells me when she grew up her parents told her to watch out for old white man that probably has something to say.
 
PoliTalker said:
Hello and greetings Althea,

Sad, that.

So many conservative wrongs for liberals to right.

There was actually a time when many conservatives believed climate change was real. That was before the Right Wing Propaganda Machine RWPM cranked up on the issue. As soon as people realized how much money was on the line (fossil energy profits to be lost) the RWPM cranked up, the crony corporate capitalism kicked in, and presto: climate change became an American left/right issue. Just like that. So many wrongs...
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It's too bad that the puppetmasters who yank the RWNJs' strings didn't bother to tell them about all the money to be made in so-called green energy -- solar, wind, hydro, etc. Money talks. I'm guessing fossil fuel money was yelling the loudest; it has the most to lose.
 
Nordberg said:
You are utterly lost. Clinton passed laws saying coal plants needed to put stack filters on their plants. The plants sued. When Bush came in he dropped the suits and so....done. There were laws that forced plants to go to cleaner technology when they refitted or repaired plants.. The plants got congress to agree that it only counted when they rebuilt 35 percent or more. oddly, they never attained that level. So no cleaning. You really are a stupid human being, yet with such misplaced arrogance at the same time.

Yeah, I know you believe we have too much regulation. that is what the rightys and other low information believe. We don't have nearly enough. Here it is. https://grist.org/article/2010-08-11-why-are-american-coal-plants-still-so-dirty/ You should be ashamed of yourself for swallowing corporate ,Repub shit so easily. Read something.
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your head is permanently poised up your ass.....
 
Althea said:
And we in the Northeast have that mercury benefit in every body of water...thanks in large part to the coal fired plants west of us.
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