Coercive Interrogations Worked

uscitizen said:
Yes torture will not be erradicated from the earth especiually when the leader of democracy and freedom in the world condones it's use.

Powerful nations not using it and stomping those who do will be the only way it will ever be erradicated as a tool for any government.
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I agree.
 
Southern Man said:
I agree with Dick Chaney on this. Instead of declassifying only some documents about this case let's declassify all of them and let the chips fall where they may. :)
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The Obama administration redacted pages of the intelligence that would have described specific information that they were able to obtain that saved lives.
 
Ice Dancer said:
Did you mean enhanced interrorgation techniques being used on our soldiers in the same manner we have used them with doctors present etc etc etc? Or did you mean having their bones broken, hot irons use on their eyes, fingernails pulled out, or how about just chopping off their heads etc etc etc?

To save innocent lives and protect society, I believe that our president must have whatever resources available to him that will accomplish that end.

"CIA Director Leon Panetta said during his confirmation hearings that even the Obama administration might use some of the enhanced techniques in a "ticking time bomb" scenario."

Article here
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I mean should US soldiers be tortured .. period.

Torture is torture.

Why haven't we found the WMD that torture/inhanced techniques said was there?

Are there any witches?
 
Dungheap said:
1) They used torture techniques on individuals they believed to have information. But it doesn't really matter. Torture is torture. It is against the law. There is no means to an end test.

2) I understand that the techniques were derived from SERE training. But the SERE training is based on torture techniques used by the Chinese in the Korean War to elicit false confessions. You don;t see the problem with assuming someone has certain information (as you do above) and then subjecting them to torture techniques used by the Chinese to elicit false confessions? You're fucked in the head.

3) That's not a report. That's an op-ed. Written by a former Bush official. Sorry if I question his credibility. If you want a report on how these techniques were developed, what they were utilized for and, importantly, the objections of out militry personnel to their use, you can go here:

http://armed-services.senate.gov/Publications/Detainee Report Final_April 22 2009.pdf
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The report has all the pertinent information redacted by the Obama administration. This story is not an op-ed, as it is a story built upon facts.

The techniques have casued no ones death nor any physical harm. They caused a temporary mental stress to individuals bent on murdering as many American's as they possibly could, or already had.

Let's release the reports in full without pages of redacted information.

You're fucked in the head? What an ass you are!
 
Ice Dancer said:
The Obama administration redacted pages of the intelligence that would have described specific information that they were able to obtain that saved lives.
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I always thought waterboarding Bush and Cheney about the real reason for invading Iraq would have saved lives.
 
Ice Dancer said:
The Obama administration redacted pages of the intelligence that would have described specific information that they were able to obtain that saved lives.
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I agree with Cheney, all of it should be released, including the secret energy task force meetings that Cheney fought so hard to keep secret, including the files on the "state secrets privilege" as it relates to torture victims and most especially, 9/11.
 
blackascoal said:
I agree with Cheney, all of it should be released, including the secret energy task force meetings that Cheney fought so hard to keep secret, including the files on the "state secrets privilege" as it relates to torture victims and most especially, 9/11.
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YES!
 
Ice Dancer said:
The report has all the pertinent information redacted by the Obama administration. This story is not an op-ed, as it is a story built upon facts.

The techniques have casued no ones death nor any physical harm. They caused a temporary mental stress to individuals bent on murdering as many American's as they possibly could, or already had.

Let's release the reports in full without pages of redacted information.

You're fucked in the head? What an ass you are!
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Bullshit. That above report was developed by the Senate Armed Services Committee. The Obama administration had nothing to do with it. The Washington Post piece you posted is an op-ed written by a former Bush Administration official.

The memos released by the Obama Administration were released pursuant to a court order in a FOIA lawsuit by the ACLU and were redacted to the extent necessary.

I'd be happy to have all information relevant to the torture techniques released to the world, including all memoranda, reports and objections raised by military personnel to the utilization of the techniques.

In my view a new Church Commission should be set up immediately to review all interrogation, surveillance and intelligence activities established since almost all of us lost our fucking minds after September 11.
 
uscitizen said:
Yes torture will not be erradicated from the earth especiually when the leader of democracy and freedom in the world condones it's use.

Powerful nations not using it and stomping those who do will be the only way it will ever be erradicated as a tool for any government.
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We almost got rid of slavery too, until our leaders in their infinite wisdom decided all american production should be done by slaves, and free men should be unemployed.
 
leaningright said:
No, but they have been and will continue to be no matter what we do. And before anyone goes balistic, I do not believe we should be involved in torture. I do have questions about whether waterboarding itself constitutes torture but we shouldn't be pulling out fingernails, using electric shock, beating, breaking bones, etc. But again, no matter what we choose to do or not do there will continue to be torture used against us.
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That's true.
 
Southern Man said:
I agree with Dick Chaney on this. Instead of declassifying only some documents about this case let's declassify all of them and let the chips fall where they may. :)
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Yes, let's get them ALL out, once and for all and KUDOS to Panetta who seems to be the only one in the Democratic party who has any common sense.
 
Yurt said:
so stupid for us armchair warriors to pass judgment...

while i applaud those who think torture doesn't work, because in a fine world, that would be nice, you get the enemy and you don't need torture to get secrets/plans out of him that would save your people....

in the real world, that is bullshit. i doubt any of you who speak of torture have been faced with the option of tortuting to get the information necessary to save your family or not torturing to uphold the GC which doesn't even apply in terrorist situtuations....the GC was between nations, not terrorists.
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Yurt, on this subject you're a moron. First, information gained by torture is highly suspect and of little value cause, and this may, just may have slipped your notice but PEOPLE WILL SAY ANYTHING TO STOP BEING TORTURED.

Now forgetting the fact that it's immoral and that two wrongs never make a right there is a principle involved here. That principle involved here. Torturing people, for any reason, is wrong.
 
Ice Dancer said:
They used the interrogation techniques on specific individuals who they knew had information that had already been disseminated through other covert channels.

Our pilots and special operations military are put through training where they have these very same techniques administered to them.

More reports are certain to be forthcoming. Here is an early one.
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Why do you keep avoiding BAC's question? It's the most important, germain and relevent question being asked on this topic. Unless you address his question I would have to assume not only is your position undefensible but you lack the moral courage to admit it.
 
for anyone still 'confused' on the subject. waterboarding is torture.

If anyone is STILL confused on the subject, i'm sure you can find someone around you that would be willing to demonstrate on you how this is actually torture.
 
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