Coercive Interrogations Worked

USFREEDOM911 said:
But it only applies to SOLDIERS and not combatants.
Make sure you read all the articles and maybe you'll understand what the description of a soldier is.
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Ahh official soldiers? Not like the American Rebels that fought the American Revolution?
The first major victory of the revolutionary war was at Kings mountain and was fought by non soldiers.

Should they have been tortured?

Just becuse someone does not have a uniform....
Enemy combatants are functionally soldiers.
 
uscitizen said:
Ahh official soldiers? Not like the American Rebels that fought the American Revolution?
The first major victory of the revolutionary war was at Kings mountain and was fought by non soldiers.

Should they have been tortured?

Just becuse someone does not have a uniform....
Enemy combatants are functionally soldiers.
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When did they make the Geneva Coinvention RETROACTIVE??
Please try again; because that dog don't hunt.
 
Dungheap said:
I think it's pretty funny that you are complaining about dumb analogies while at the same time concocting dumbass ticking time bomb scenarios.
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baby steps. First I have to get rid of all this doublethink that torture under any circumstance is wrong.

And I don't think my analogy is very dumb at all. It's very realistic.

Of course when I say "ticking time bomb" I don't actually mean a briefcase counting down where you have to cut the green wire, I am just alluding to an imminent terrorist attack, again, I assume you can read through the lines...
 
Socrtease said:
It doesn't matter torture and murder are both moral equals. How many people less would have to be saved before you wouldn't do it. Lets say two men have your kid and one of them tells you kill the child with your bare hands or watch your child suffer and die. Would you do it then?
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of course I would wtf.... If I have to choose I obviously want my child alive more than the other. Another easy choice.
 
Dungheap said:
And I'm not buying the idea that a torture technique that had to be utilized 183 times in a single month is "effective."
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Also goes to show if the guy can do it for 183 times it can't be THAT bad.

edit: And fuck it, if we want to use a ends-based justification for out torture why stop with waterboarding? I mean, surely there are other techniques that may be more effective. Let's bring back the Iron Maiden. Let's burn motherfuckers. Let's conduct mock executions. Let's rip off fingernails.
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cool I agree.
 
uscitizen said:
It is the concept not the exact matchup.

So we were fighting no soldiers but in a war?
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No the "concept" is not an exact matchup.
If they don't have the designations that are set down in the Geneva Convention, they technically they can be shot on sight.
 
USFREEDOM911 said:
No the "concept" is not an exact matchup.
If they don't have the designations that are set down in the Geneva Convention, they technically they can be shot on sight.
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Are the Blackwater mercenaries soldiers?
esp now since they have no liscence?
 
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uscitizen said:
Were all those waterboarded proven to be combatants?

And if so how with no trial,etc?
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Since you asked the question, do you have proof that they weren't??

Enemy Combatants are guaranteed a trial.
They can be tried by a Military Tribunal, when the Military gets around to it.
 
Ice Dancer said:
Our president is charged with, as his number one priority, to keep American's safe. The enhanced interrogation techniques use never killed anyone, caused any physical damage, and as far as any one can ascertain, no permanent psychological damage. According to early reports the redacted information contained in the report supports the use of these techniques on specific terrorists, that prevented specific attacks, and helped locate and apprehend specific persons. I am not so mealy mouthed and arrogant to judge anything without all the facts, obviously you are.
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First, our presidents number one task is to protect our rights.

Second, call it what it is. It's not 'enhanced interrogation', it's torture.
 
Kind of ironic that many of the same people who make such an issue out of government agencies identifying "extremists" as people who campaign for States rights, or reject Federal authority, seem to have no problem with government agencies redefining what is and what isn't torture.

Of course no government would ever seek to use "enhanced interrogation" techniques against such domestic "extremists", would they? I imagine those sorts of techniques would only ever be used against the most dangerous domestic extremists, perhaps those who were armed, in the most exceptional circumstances imaginable.

Of course the Constitution would protect American citizens from any "enhanced interrogation" techniques. Just like the Geneva conventions protected those enemy combatants...oh...well i'm sure no government would seek to undermine the Constitution, would they?

That would be unthinkable, just like torture used to be.
 
Grind said:
baby steps. First I have to get rid of all this doublethink that torture under any circumstance is wrong.

And I don't think my analogy is very dumb at all. It's very realistic.

Of course when I say "ticking time bomb" I don't actually mean a briefcase counting down where you have to cut the green wire, I am just alluding to an imminent terrorist attack, again, I assume you can read through the lines...
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There is something terribly wrong with a society in which substantial numbers are so frightened that they will use any false argument to justify torture and killing.
What would you do if .... ? Suppose someone broke into your house ..... ?
These questions arise in almost every society but it seems that America is more frightened, less logical, less able to cope with life and all its wonders and hardships.
Very sad and sadder because so many people are blind to the rest of the world most of which strives to live in harmony.
A country filled with wonders where people are frightened of their fellow man. A country at the forefront of technology but so backward in its understanding. A country whose people wear their hearts on their sleeves but who have accumulated more enemies than any other modern nation.
Well, thank goodness there are some at least who have the brains and intelligence to know it is wrong.
 
froggie said:
Nope, we haven't seen it for a long time. It truly is history, but maybe, that will change for the whole world.
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In truth good sister the America of our past was barbaric and its people barbarians. As you can imagine, I'd have no desire to travel through the time machine into the American past.

In truth, we've actually gotten better, but from where we started from, we've still got a long way to go.
 
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