Collusion with the Russians

Russia Wanted Trump As President And It Got Him. Now What Does America Do?

,HuffPost• November 22, 2017

On Jan. 6, 2017, the U.S. intelligence community released a declassified version of its analysis finding that Russian President Vladimir Putin had not only interfered in the 2016 election, but had actively tried to help Trump. Among the tools Russia used was the theft of emails from the campaign of Trump’s opponent, Hillary Clinton, and their release through Russia-friendly WikiLeaks.

Trump campaign foreign policy aide George Papadopoulos detailed in filings associated with his guilty plea agreement how Russians in April 2016 were offering the campaign emails damaging to Clinton. Emails between the president’s son, Donald Trump Jr., and a former business partner show that the younger Trump was eager to see the supposedly incriminating information in advance of a Trump Tower meeting. Trump Jr. later traded messages with WikiLeaks founder Julian Assange about his father’s exploitation of emails stolen from Clinton campaign chair John Podesta. On Oct. 12, 2016, after Assange suggested that the GOP nominee help publicize the latest batch of stolen emails, Trump himself sent a tweet praising WikiLeaks just 15 minutes later.

On May 9, 2017, after three months of complaining about the FBI’s Russia probe, Trump fired the agency’s director, James Comey. The reason initially stated was that Comey had mishandled an investigation into Clinton’s use of a private email server during her time as secretary of state. But the very next day, Trump reportedly told Russia’s foreign minister and its U.S. ambassador during an Oval Office visit that he’d fired Comey to block the probe. Trump again cited the Russia investigation as a reason for firing Comey in an interview with NBC News on May 11. That firing led quickly to Mueller’s appointment to take over the investigation.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/russia-wanted-trump-president-got-100030401.html
 
Is there a planet where that question can make sense? Have you been in a coma since the election? Who has been connected to the Russians? trump, Flynn,Jared, Pence, Papadopolus, and others. What does hillary have to do with them?
 
No such evidence? The case has not been presented. However Flynn, Popadopolous. , Manfort. remember any of them? The case is far from over but Flynn said it goes up higher in the cabinet. Is that trmp, pence, Jared, ivanaka/ who?
 
941. Payment to Russia for hacking in US election (1/4/2017)

Of course, Russia won't do it for free. There must be a secret deal between the intelligence of the two countries. We outsiders can only see it from some facts.

The secret deal: Hacked email were handed to Wikileaks to issue to hit Hillary Clinton.

The payment of secret deal:

1. Aleppo falls (or "liberated" from Russia side) on 12/15. Resistance and civil withdraw from East Aleppo by bus. Five years fight ends. A big victory for Russia and its allies.

2. Economic interest.

Japan pledges 300 bil. yen economic package at Abe-Putin summit

December 17, 2016

The total value of Japan's contribution in investment and loans, including through agreements between private sector firms, is around 300 billion yen ($2.54 billion), Deputy Chief Cabinet Secretary Kotaro Nogami said after the leaders' summit.

http://mainichi.jp/english/articles.../023000c#csidx7f0739f16cc5d7e8efc439f0b9b08b7
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Putin dismissed the notion that he was only interested in getting economic benefits from Japan.

"If anyone thinks we’re interested only in developing economic links and a peace deal is of secondary importance, that’s not the case," he told the same news conference. That's all for the controversial islands. He went Japan just for those business deals.


You may say that's something between Russia and Japan. The Truth is Japan is the pocket slave of the US. If you still remember Trump claims credit for $50 billion investment by Japanese firm and 7 billion from a Taiwan firm. They were puppet nations that have to pay their defense share that Trump demands. Include that payment to Russia for the US sake.
 
Trump and Pence were warned in January that CIA had proof Putin directed election hacks: report

Travis Gettys 14 DEC 2017

But the Washington Post reported Thursday that Director of National Intelligence James R. Clapper Jr., CIA Director John Brennan and FBI Director James B. Comey met with Trump on Jan. 6 to report the CIA “had captured Putin’s specific instructions on the operation.”

The officials had already briefed President Barack Obama and members of Congress about the intercepts, and they expected the president-elect to throw them out of Trump Tower.


https://www.rawstory.com/2017/12/tr...d-proof-putin-directed-election-hacks-report/
 
Putin find the 32,000 emails. Putin break into Dems computer system and hurt her election chances. Use Wikileaks to tarnish her campaign.... Merely talking? Not only is that wrong, but Trump was running for president. Even he should know there are things you should not do. What did Trump say" You will be so tired of cheating"

The Repubs were warning about Russian meddling in the beginning.
 
Salty9373 said:
Everyone appears to agree that Russia interfered in our elections but no one can quantify the effect.
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This guy doesn't agree there was Russian interference:

Trump: Claims of Russian interference in 2016 race "ridiculous"
http://www.foxnews.com/politics/201...2016-race-ridiculous-dems-making-excuses.html


Otoh, looks like the Secretary of State didn't get the memo:

"The United States today has a poor relationship with a resurgent Russia that has invaded its neighbors Georgia and Ukraine in the last decade and undermined the sovereignty of Western nations by meddling in our election and others’."
https://www.nytimes.com/2017/12/27/opinion/rex-tillerson-state-department-diplomacy.html?_r=1
 
The Secret Correspondence Between Donald Trump Jr. and WikiLeaks

The transparency organization asked the president’s son for his cooperation—in sharing its work, in contesting the results of the election, and in arranging for Julian Assange to be Australia’s ambassador to the United States.


Peter Nicholls / Reuters

JULIA IOFFE NOV 13, 2017

The messages, obtained by The Atlantic, were also turned over by Trump Jr.’s lawyers to congressional investigators. They are part of a long—and largely one-sided—correspondence between WikiLeaks and the president’s son that continued until at least July 2017. The messages show WikiLeaks, a radical transparency organization that the American intelligence community believes was chosen by the Russian government to disseminate the information it had hacked, actively soliciting Trump Jr.’s cooperation. WikiLeaks made a series of increasingly bold requests, including asking for Trump’s tax returns, urging the Trump campaign on Election Day to reject the results of the election as rigged, and requesting that the president-elect tell Australia to appoint Julian Assange ambassador to the United States.
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WikiLeaks played a pivotal role in the presidential campaign. In July 2016, on the first day of the Democratic National Convention, WikiLeaks released emails stolen from the Democratic National Committee's servers that spring. The emails showed DNC officials denigrating Bernie Sanders, renewing tensions on the eve of Clinton’s acceptance of the nomination. On October 7, less than an hour after the Washington Post released the Access Hollywood tape, in which Trump bragged about sexually assaulting women, Wikileaks released emails that hackers had pilfered from the personal email account of Clinton’s campaign manager John Podesta.

https://www.theatlantic.com/politic...between-donald-trump-jr-and-wikileaks/545738/
 
Salty9373 said:
Russia investigations total 5 including Mueller. After 10 mo we learn there is no evidence of collusion by anyone. The Media loves it because they always have something to write about. Politicians love it because it gets them face time on TV as they promote them selves. Everyone appears to agree that Russia interfered in our elections but no one can quantify the effect. For a crime to be committed, assets need to have changed hands. Manafort looks guilty of money laundering but it has nothing to do with Russian interference. Flynn did a deal with Turkey. Again not Russia. Clinton ended up with millions in the Fund as well as 500k for Bubba's speech but the uranium one connections will never be proven. GPS could have been paid by FBI which reeks of an illegal political scandal.
Personally, I think the subject is getting redundant and boring unless someone is indicted, tried and broadcast on TV.
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You learned that Repubs will cover up to keep Trump in power. Repub investigations are still after Hillary, who I seem to remember did not win the election and is not in power. Repubs use deflection to try and save the Thief in Chief. The investigation is in its midpoint. TRump said about 6 months ago that he would be happy to be interrogated by Mueller. Today, he changed his mind.. He has been told they are getting down to him for collusion and obstruction. So he will hide instead.
 
jc456 said:
How about why would the Russians not back hitlery when she got them the Uranium One deal. I mean is doesn't follow logic. none especially when they paid her hubby 500K for a speech. and gave her foundation 95 million.
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Hillary did not get them uranium. It was a Canadian company that dug in America, The uranium never left the US. Hillary did not sign on to it. It required 9 signatures from 9 different agencies. http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...ou-need-know-about-hillary-clinton-and-urani/ Turn off Fox.
 
jc456 said:
How about why would the Russians not back hitlery when she got them the Uranium One deal. I mean is doesn't follow logic. none especially when they paid her hubby 500K for a speech. and gave her foundation 95 million.
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Debunked claim on Uranium One.

Move on
 
After a bunch of bankruptcies, Trump was not getting money from American banks to build golf courses. Golf was also on a down slope after the Bush crash. Wilbur Ross, a cabinet head forTrump was running the bank of Cyprus. It had Putin on its board. It was reputed to be a money laundering center for Russian plutocrats. One of them bought a multi million dollar mansion from Trump that he could not sell He paid about 3 times its market value, He never lived in it. Trump and parts of his cabinet, and his family ,appear to be ass deep in Russian money laundering. The many, many communications are also well known.

The Russians set up a huge operation to interfere in our election , on Trumps side. They are also interfering in European elections. They are anti democracies. So is Trump.
 
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