Conservatives Outraged!

[Sun Devil]

Well, that's all well and good. However, like much I've read in this thread.... it's responding to comments that were imagined, never made.

Which comments pray tell?

 

[Taft2016]

How does a white person living in economic poverty equate to being a slave?

I described it above.

Impoverished whites could vote.

Fat lot of good it did them.

Were free to read.

Usually were illiterate because their parents kept them home in the tenement to do piece work.

Were free to use a "white only" bathroom stall.

But were forbidden to use "black only" bathroom stalls.

They were free to get a job without suffering from ethnic backlash.

Are you joking? You've lived your whole life without ever hearing the expression "Irish Need Not Apply"?

They were free to not be hung.

White people weren't hung?

They were free to not have crosses burned on their lawn.

Unless they were Jewish or Catholic.

They were free to not be called nigger.

OK, you got me there.

 

[Sun Devil]

Be that as it may, you have to admit no one really had it that good during the 18th century, or some call it, the 1800's. As the point made earlier shows, factory workers in the North had it really bad too. It was about the same. We all have it better now. We all had it bad then. But they had some good times then too. The factory workers had their paychecks and could buy beer, the slaves sometimes had dance parties. Whatever. It's not black or white.

I think things have gotten a lot better since Reagan. I know they have for me. Will Hollywood make that into a movie? I bet not. I won't hold my breath anyway.

Let me ask you something:

Do we really have it better now? Sure, the confederate, and union war is over and slavery is abolished, but are the social conditions of every single American citizen better?

 

[christiefan915]

At least you are polite to the women, unlike your butt buddy Truth Deleter. Kudos for that. Now if we could just get past your massive fact denial and rewriting of history we might accomplish something.

He's not polite to the women. Go back and read his posts.

 

[Taft2016]

Which comments pray tell?

Well I obviously can't point to comments that don't exist, can I?

 

[FactsMac]

I described it above.



Fat lot of good it did them.



Usually were illiterate because their parents kept them home in the tenement to do piece work.



But were forbidden to use "black only" bathroom stalls.



Are you joking? You've lived your whole life without ever hearing the expression "Irish Need Not Apply"?



White people weren't hung?



Unless they were Jewish or Catholic.



OK, you got me there.

Yeah I was going to mention that whites were not allowed to use blacks only bathrooms, but I'm new and didn't want to be seen as jumping on the guy. Fair point though. If you are going to complain that blacks couldn't use white only bathrooms, why leave out the other half of the story? Like I said, there's two sides to every story. It's not black and white.

 

[Sun Devil]

I described it above.



Fat lot of good it did them.



Usually were illiterate because their parents kept them home in the tenement to do piece work.



But were forbidden to use "black only" bathroom stalls.



Are you joking? You've lived your whole life without ever hearing the expression "Irish Need Not Apply"?



White people weren't hung?



Unless they were Jewish or Catholic.



OK, you got me there.

I think you missed the entire point. I'm not denying that there were SOME whites that were struggling during slavery times, sure, but the point is their social condition whether they were impoverished or not were a lot better than black slaves end of story you cannot provide a counter to that because that is how history sees it. This is why you have social programs for minority students today because of past discrimination, and because there were opportunities not afforded to blacks despite their academic accomplishments, and it is because of past and contemporary racism is why we continually have this problem today.

 

[maineman]

I'm not running away. You moved the goal posts.

I asked you if the film was a complete and accurate portrayal of all slave owners, including black slave owners. You didn't answer. I'm waiting.

it was the depiction of two slave owners and their relationships with their property. Was it accurate or not?

 

[Sun Devil]

Yeah I was going to mention that whites were not allowed to use blacks only bathrooms, but I'm new and didn't want to be seen as jumping on the guy. Fair point though. If you are going to complain that blacks couldn't use white only bathrooms, why leave out the other half of the story? Like I said, there's two sides to every story. It's not black and white.

Whites were not allowed to use blacks only bathroom because that is the rules whites designed it. You think blacks who were forced to use a "colored only" bathroom is going to tell a white person to not use their restroom? There was a lot of fear in those times because blacks had no representative power. Not only that they were afraid to end up like Emmitt Till.

 

[jet57]

I think you missed the entire point. I'm not denying that there were SOME whites that were struggling during slavery times, sure, but the point is their social condition whether they were impoverished or not were a lot better than black slaves end of story you cannot provide a counter to that because that is how history sees it. This is why you have social programs for minority students today because of past discrimination, and because there were opportunities not afforded to blacks despite their academic accomplishments, and it is because of past and contemporary racism is why we continually have this problem today.

 

[Taft2016]

I think you missed the entire point. I'm not denying that there were SOME whites that were struggling during slavery times, sure, but the point is their social condition whether they were impoverished or not were a lot better than black slaves end of story you cannot provide a counter to that because that is how history sees it. This is why you have social programs for minority students today because of past discrimination, and because there were opportunities not afforded to blacks despite their academic accomplishments, and it is because of past and contemporary racism is why we continually have this problem today.

I would probably say MOST, instead of SOME, inner city whites.

I think your viewpoint is too simplistic. If a slave died at work, his wife and children would be cared for... and could hope for better times. A factory worker's widow and children had nothing to look forward to except homelessness, misery, and starvation.

The white man's "freedom" was an illusion.

And now subsequent generations of those downtrodden white folks are compelled to foot the bill for slavery from long ago...slavery they were drafted to fight against, leave their own impoverished families behind, and which hundreds of thousands of them never returned to.

 

[FactsMac]

I would probably say MOST, instead of SOME, inner city whites.

I think your viewpoint is too simplistic. If a slave died at work, his wife and children would be cared for... and could hope for better times. A factory worker's widow and children had nothing to look forward to except homelessness, misery, and starvation.

The white man's "freedom" was an illusion.

And now subsequent generations of those downtrodden white folks are compelled to foot the bill for slavery from long ago...slavery they were drafted to fight against, leave their own impoverished families behind, and which hundreds of thousands of them never returned to.

This!

It's really the untold story of slavery. I am sure Michael McMoore will be making a movie about it anytime now.

 

[Taft2016]

it was the depiction of two slave owners and their relationships with their property. Was it accurate or not?

Accurate in which sense? The sense of the story told by the movie? Or an accurate portrayal of every slave-master relationship?

 

[FactsMac]

Whites were not allowed to use blacks only bathroom because that is the rules whites designed it. You think blacks who were forced to use a "colored only" bathroom is going to tell a white person to not use their restroom? There was a lot of fear in those times because blacks had no representative power. Not only that they were afraid to end up like Emmitt Till.

So there was never a case where a white lady had a young child with her and the white bathroom was taken, and it being an emergency, she looked over at the blacks only bathroom and wished she could take her young child in there? Never?

 

[maineman]

Accurate in which sense? The sense of the story told by the movie? Or an accurate portrayal of every slave-master relationship?

how in the world could a movie that depicted the relationship between two slave owners and their property possibly be an accurate portrayal of every slave-master relationship? Can you possibly imagine what a totally ridiculous, tap dancing sort of question that is????

Is the Sound of Music an accurate portrayal of every single family musical act in the history of show business?

Is Apollo 13 an accurate portrayal of every single manned space flight ever?

moron.

 

[Taft2016]

how in the world could a movie that depicted the relationship between two slave owners and their property possibly be an accurate portrayal of every slave-master relationship? Can you possibly imagine what a totally ridiculous, tap dancing sort of question that is????

Is the Sound of Music an accurate portrayal of every single family musical act in the history of show business?

Is Apollo 13 an accurate portrayal of every single manned space flight ever?

moron.

And that's the moronic question you presented me before moving the goal posts, isn't it? Moron.

I don't even know what you mean by "accurate" for God's sake.

Are you saying the average slave in the United States was stolen from a "freed" status and then forced into slavery?

I'd like to see you provide some history to prove that...

If that's not what you're saying, WTF are you babbling about?

 

[maineman]

the movie was an adaptation of a non-fiction piece of literature. So... do you think that the author accurately portrayed life as a slave in the south, and do you think that the director and producer of the film accurately transcribed the work from page to screen? Or do you think the whole thing was hyped... from the author exaggerating his treatment to the filmmakers exaggerating his writing?

 

[Granule]

The conservatives on this thread are wonderful.

Who else thinks that Granule's avatar looks like something from the middle ages? It just looks so appropriate.

Now the little creep is going after my avatar. lol.

 

[Sun Devil]

I would probably say MOST, instead of SOME, inner city whites.

I think your viewpoint is too simplistic. If a slave died at work, his wife and children would be cared for... and could hope for better times. A factory worker's widow and children had nothing to look forward to except homelessness, misery, and starvation.

The white man's "freedom" was an illusion.

And now subsequent generations of those downtrodden white folks are compelled to foot the bill for slavery from long ago...slavery they were drafted to fight against, leave their own impoverished families behind, and which hundreds of thousands of them never returned to.

You said "if a slave died at work his wife and children would be cared for...." Really? So I guess living in horse stables is a type of living that serves the comfort of those whom the master means to rule. Black women were raped by their masters and their children raised in a clashing system of injustice and racism. I really think history does not share your above opinion and in fact since we are on the subject of illusion I think your view is quite illusory if you asked me. Never in my life have I heard anyone trying to argue such as futile point such as yours when it comes to the comparison of slavery and impoverished whites. But please continue with your argument because your comparison of the poor white man and the slave is poor.

 

[Granule]

the movie was an adaptation of a non-fiction piece of literature. So... do you think that the author accurately portrayed life as a slave in the south, and do you think that the director and producer of the film accurately transcribed the work from page to screen? Or do you think the whole thing was hyped... from the author exaggerating his treatment to the filmmakers exaggerating his writing?

It was made to activate leftist operatives. Take Dearthla, for example. The little tool probably ran straight from the theater to JPP where she could start this thread and point her skanky finger at Conservatives.