Court Orders Trump Administration to Pay Food Benefits

domer76 said:
He took money allocated by Congress for schools and medical centers.
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Really? Here's where Trump got the money from in 2019:

  • $1.375 billion from the Homeland Security appropriations bill
  • $600 million from the Treasury Department’s drug forfeiture fund
  • $2.5 billion from the Department of Defense’s drug interdiction program
  • $3.6 billion from the Department of Defense’s military construction account

So, which pile in that was for "schools and medical centers?"
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Really? Here's where Trump got the money from in 2019:

  • $1.375 billion from the Homeland Security appropriations bill
  • $600 million from the Treasury Department’s drug forfeiture fund
  • $2.5 billion from the Department of Defense’s drug interdiction program
  • $3.6 billion from the Department of Defense’s military construction account

So, which pile in that was for "schools and medical centers?"
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Think you'll get an answer?
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Really? Here's where Trump got the money from in 2019:

  • $1.375 billion from the Homeland Security appropriations bill
  • $600 million from the Treasury Department’s drug forfeiture fund
  • $2.5 billion from the Department of Defense’s drug interdiction program
  • $3.6 billion from the Department of Defense’s military construction account

So, which pile in that was for "schools and medical centers?"
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Military construction, stupid fuck. To BUILD a school in Okinawa and a medical center at Camp LeJeune. Those are two that I found immediately.

Ignorant fucking cultist, you fucking lost this one. Move on.
 
Earl said:
“As soon as possible.”

Since there is no funding due to the Schumer Shutdown…as soon as possible means til the Democrats vote with the Republicans to open the government.
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Or the Republicans, the only ones with the power to call votes, vote with the Democrats to open the government.
 
Jarod said:
Or the Republicans, the only ones with the power to call votes, vote with the Democrats to open the government.
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Okay, Brad, listen up real slow.

We're gonna talk about this big mess called the Schumer shutdown.

It's like when grown-ups in Washington can't agree on how to spend our money for stuff like parks and food help, so the government stops paying workers. Bad news, right?

Chuck Schumer (he's the boss of the Democrats in the Senate, like the team captain for blue team) is saying, "No way, we won't vote yes until you Republicans give us what we want."

Now, why can't the Republicans just say, "Poof! Shutdown over!" all by themselves? 'Cause it's like a game with rules, and they don't have enough players on their side.

Here's the easy-peasy steps:
  1. The House of Reps (lower floor): Republicans got the most seats here, like 220 to 215 or something close. Their captain, Mike Johnson, can make a "bill" called a clean CR to keep spending money the way we did last summer. He can pass it with his team's votes. And he did, on September 19.
  2. The Senate (upper floor): This is the tricky part. It's split almost even—maybe 51-49 for Republicans, but some Republicans don't always listen to their captain. To pass the money bill here, you need 60 friends to say yes. Republicans only got about 51, so they're short like 9 buddies. The Democrats, led by Schumer, got the other half and say, "Nope! We're blocking you with our special 'no' votes" (that's called a filibuster). They keep saying no 'cause they want Republicans to add stuff like extra money for stuff they want. Lots of it.
  3. The President (big boss): Even if the Senate somehow says yes (which it won't without Democrats helping), President Trump (he's Republican) would sign it quick. But guess what? Without those 60 in the Senate, it stops dead. Republicans can't force the Democrats to vote yes. they'd need a magic rule change, but that takes even more votes they don't have.
So, Republicans can't end it alone 'cause the Senate is like a seesaw, and Democrats are sitting heavy on one side, yelling "Not fair!"
 
domer76 said:
Military construction, stupid fuck. To BUILD a school in Okinawa and a medical center at Camp LeJeune. Those are two that I found immediately.

Ignorant fucking cultist, you fucking lost this one. Move on.
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The operative words are "MILITARY CONSTRUCTION." That means the money was budgeted to build military stuff. Trump simply placed construction of a border wall, a national defense necessity in his view, ahead of a NEW school or NEW medical center on those bases. It's not as if those bases didn't have those facilities, they were just dated.

So, as always, you offer argumentum ad absurdum rather than anything objective.
 
Jarod said:
Or the Republicans, the only ones with the power to call votes, vote with the Democrats to open the government.
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For Republicans to "vote with Democrats to open the government" means Republicans cave in to agreeing to spend $1.5 trillion in new money on social-welfare programs the Democrats want to prop up with huge subsidies. That's where the Democrats say they'll vote to reopen the government--borrow and spend $1.5 trillion.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
The operative words are "MILITARY CONSTRUCTION." That means the money was budgeted to build military stuff. Trump simply placed construction of a border wall, a national defense necessity in his view, ahead of a NEW school or NEW medical center on those bases. It's not as if those bases didn't have those facilities, they were just dated.

So, as always, you offer argumentum ad absurdum rather than anything objective.
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Yep, it was budgeted to build a school and medical facility, among others. Not budgeted for his wall, which is not a defense budget, but a Homeland Security one.

Flounder on, cultist.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
More judicial overreach. I guess Judge McConnell (an Obama appointee) has been asleep or is stoned out his gourd because the Supreme Court has already ruled such lowly judges like him cannot issue national edicts nor can they set federal policy. They can only rule on matters before them within their set jurisdiction. Another Obama appointee (and ultra-Trump hater) Judge Talwani in Massachusetts has ruled likewise.

I doubt either ruling will stand as in both cases, the judges are setting federal policy usurping executive branch power. It's not for them to decide when emergency funding is to be expended and on what. That is clearly a decision for the executive--President--to make.

This is a clear case of low-level federal judges going rogue, setting federal policy, and doing so with ZERO legal grounds to do so.

Here's Talwani's order. She is setting policy for the US on food stamp money, a clear violation of her powers as a district court judge and so ruled by the Supreme court.


I seriously doubt hers or McConnell's rulings will stand on appeal.
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Judicial overreach was granting trump immunity for his crimes and dismissing his stolen documents case.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
For Republicans to "vote with Democrats to open the government" means Republicans cave in to agreeing to spend $1.5 trillion in new money on social-welfare programs the Democrats want to prop up with huge subsidies. That's where the Democrats say they'll vote to reopen the government--borrow and spend $1.5 trillion.
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For Democrats to “vote with the Republicans yo open the Government” means cave into gutting Medicaid, resulting in the death of untold numbers of Americans.
 
Jarod said:
For Democrats to “vote with the Republicans yo open the Government” means cave into gutting Medicaid, resulting in the death of untold numbers of Americans.
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No, Brad, it means funding the government at existing levels for a predetermined and mutually agreed upon span of time.

Okay, listen closely. Imagine money is like your allowance. Congress gives the government an allowance to keep things running—like lights on, people paid, parks open.

A clean Continuing Resolution is just saying, "Keep spending the same amount as last year. No changes. No fights right now.

It’s like your ex-wife saying, “Here’s $50 for beer this week, same as last week, Brad. I'm sorry your practice fell apart after I divorced you for screwing the Hispanic housekeep, but you really need to get yourself together. We’ll talk about your delinquent child support later.”

But the big problems in D.C.?
  • Too much spending?
  • Not enough for schools or army?
  • New rules about what money can buy?
Those fights don’t go away. The clean Continuing Resolution just says: “Pay the bills for now. We’ll yell about the rest next time.”

So it’s not the end. It’s a pause button. The argument comes back soon.
 
Jarod said:
For Democrats to “vote with the Republicans yo open the Government” means cave into gutting Medicaid, resulting in the death of untold numbers of Americans.
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No, it means the government is opened and the Democrats can go back to negotiating a 2026 budget rather than holding the nation hostage while making ransom demands.
 
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