Court says woman with limited English can be kept off ballot

[zappasguitar]

BOO-YEAH

Now just show everyone the law on the books in Arizona that states a candidate for city council must meet a predetermined level of language proficiency before they are allowed to serve on the council.

Show everyone where said level of language proficiency has been quantified and documented.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

USF's struggles with "to, too & two" are well chronicled...

As to this topic...this woman is being railroaded by racists who don't want their little boys club ruined by some "immigrant".

Show me the law on the books in Arizona saying anyone running for city council must have a specified proficiency in English to hold public office...

The State of Arizona does not set the laws that for individual Counties or Cities, in regards of their specific guidelines; except those that might interfer with the States jurisdiction.
And
You're comment regarding racists, just denigrated all of the Hispanics that hold office in the State, Counties, and Cities.

All of this is further proof; that you're just a whiny little child, who has no opinion of his own.

 

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USF's struggles with "to, too & two" are well chronicled...

As to this topic...this woman is being railroaded by racists who don't want their little boys club ruined by some "immigrant".

Show me the law on the books in Arizona saying anyone running for city council must have a specified proficiency in English to hold public office...

no surprise zappa threw out the race card....the mayor, the one who brought the suit is hispanic

 

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I'm also basing it on comments like the one that said they should hire an interpreter to aide her in her job and those that support her getting the job, when doubts of her ability have been laid.

Do you have anything to refute the accusation that her English speaking abilities are false; because it they are false, she not only has a good libel lawsuit but also has a good challange to their refusal?.

stawman....show where i said the accusations were false.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

stawman....show where i said the accusations were false.

Show where I said that you said the accusations were false.

You're supporting those that said they were and you know about that little "birds of a feather" thing.

 

[apple0154]

how can a city official be competent for the job if she can't read a proposed city ordinance?......

would you for example, think a person who spoke English, but was functionally illiterate, should be allowed to hold office?.....

I didn't know you were out of the country between 2001 and 2008, inclusive.

 

[Socrtease]

I imagine that Arizona like all other states have requirements for holding office. If proficiency in the English Language is not one of those requirements then they have violated their own law. Wouldn't surprise me though, seeing how hostile Arizonans now are to their own hispanic population.

 

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Show where I said that you said the accusations were false.

You're supporting those that said they were and you know about that little "birds of a feather" thing.

oh i see...you're just "asking" me to prove an allegation false when i never said the allegations were false

makes sense....not

show where i supported them...

 

[USFREEDOM911]

I imagine that Arizona like all other states have requirements for holding office. If proficiency in the English Language is not one of those requirements then they have violated their own law. Wouldn't surprise me though, seeing how hostile Arizonans now are to their own hispanic population.

Really!!

Care to show some evidence how Arizonaans are hostile to their own hispanic population?

 

[USFREEDOM911]

oh i see...you're just "asking" me to prove an allegation false when i never said the allegations were false

makes sense....not

show where i supported them...

What were you implying then?
And then there is that birds of a feather thing.

This is bullshit, especially considering it is a bilingual town (well, practically a bilingual state).

Canada works fine with a bilingual government; someday, the same will be true of the US government. It is inevitable that the US will become a bilingual country.

seems like a literacy test. not sure about the 1st amendment, very possible, but i'm not sure her speech is being restricted. if she is competent for the job, then i don't see how they can deny her. i'm not sure what the qualifications are, but i don't recall any local, state or federal qualifications that you must speak english or understand it at a certain level to run for office.

I don't see the harm. She can have a translator, just like we do currently when dealing with everyone else.

she says she can read and understand english...so not sure your concern PMP. there are plenty of people who are "proficient" in english who aren't remotely qualified. if she can understand the proceedings, i don't have a problem with her serving if she is duly elected.

imo if she can get elected, it does not matter what her linguistic skills are

iow...you choose to believe her opponents, not her. i don't know what her proficiency is, but i think it you should not simply take her adversary's word for it. i would be curious to know if the court considered actual evidence of her proficiency.

read this again:

i don't know what her proficiency is

and again, on what evidence did the court base its decision on? the app ct. did not even give its reasons, it said the reasons would be forthcoming...so tell me...what evidence and what reasons since you seem to insist everyone else but her is right....

what is level of prficiency necessary? who decides? should we now bring back literacy tests to vote?

No, but it might violate First Amendment rights.

I imagine that Arizona like all other states have requirements for holding office. If proficiency in the English Language is not one of those requirements then they have violated their own law. Wouldn't surprise me though, seeing how hostile Arizonans now are to their own hispanic population.

 

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odd....i don't see anything about the claims her english is not proficient being false

poor USF....can't get a break

you should stop spreading meadowmuffins

 

[USFREEDOM911]

odd....i don't see anything about the claims her english is not proficient being false

poor USF....can't get a break

you should stop spreading meadowmuffins

Yep, you're right again; Yurt.

English speaking Americans have no right to expect to go down to their public buildings and when speaking to the clerks or anyone else hired to deal with the public, that those people should speak english.
It's the fault of the public, for not taking an interpretor with them.

There, do you feel vindicated?

 

[zappasguitar]

Really!!

Care to show some evidence how Arizonaans are hostile to their own hispanic population?

Maybe you heard about this small border town in Arizona where the local good ol boys club is trying to keep an Hispanic woman off the city council by claiming...get this...she doesn't understand English to their satisfaction.

Sounds like a kinda hostile attitude to me.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Maybe you heard about this small border town in Arizona where the local good ol boys club is trying to keep an Hispanic woman off the city council by claiming...get this...she doesn't understand English to their satisfaction.

Sounds like a kinda hostile attitude to me.

Well; it's nice to see that you're able to use circular logic, in an attempt to support your lunacy.

OH-WAIT; even the court has said she lacks the ability to conduct the daily affairs in English.

 

[zappasguitar]

Well; it's nice to see that you're able to use circular logic, in an attempt to support your lunacy.

OH-WAIT; even the court has said she lacks the ability to conduct the daily affairs in English.

And precisely what criteria did the courts use to determine she lacked that ability?

Care to show everyone where it has been codified into law that a person must display a specified proficiency in English in order to run for office?

 

[USFREEDOM911]

And precisely what criteria did the courts use to determine she lacked that ability?

Care to show everyone where it has been codified into law that a person must display a specified proficiency in English in order to run for office?

I apologize.
I thought you had read the entire post, prior to making a comment; but is now apparent that had no intention of making an intelligent challange and instead you just wanted to see if anyone was paying attention to you.

This was provided; but if you need more, you will probably have to ask the Court.

Yuma County Superior Court Judge John Nelson ruled on Jan. 27 to strike Cabrera's name from the ballot. Nelson's ruling was based on tests administered by a sociolinguistics expert, as well as Cabrera's inability to respond to questions posed to her in English at a hearing.

The action against Cabrera also stemmed from a Dec. 14 complaint made by former mayor Guillermina Fuentes that Cabrera isn't fluent in English, according to The Sun.

Fuentes claimed she has acted as an interpreter for Cabrera.

Sociolinguistics expert William Eggington presented the court with results of three different tests he administered to Cabrera, who graduated from Kofa High School in Yuma. One measured her English-speaking skill, another was to determine if she reads the language, and the third was to assess her level of English comprehension.

Eggington's report said Cabrera's English skills did not meet the level of language proficiency needed to serve on the council.


http://latino.foxnews.com/latino/po...rom-election-due-to-lack-english-proficiency/


:lol:

Good old public schools, pass someone that can barely speak English.

 

[zappasguitar]

I apologize.
I thought you had read the entire post, prior to making a comment; but is now apparent that had no intention of making an intelligent challange and instead you just wanted to see if anyone was paying attention to you.

This was provided; but if you need more, you will probably have to ask the Court.

From your post...

"Eggington's report said Cabrera's English skills did not meet the level of language proficiency needed to serve on the council."

And where exactly is the precise "level of language proficiency needed to serve on the council" codified in the law books?

Or was this just some subjective determination by an expert paid for by those who oppose this woman's run for city council?

 

[USFREEDOM911]

From your post...

"Eggington's report said Cabrera's English skills did not meet the level of language proficiency needed to serve on the council."

And where exactly is the precise "level of language proficiency needed to serve on the council" codified in the law books?

Or was this just some subjective determination by an expert paid for by those who oppose this woman's run for city council?

As you can see, it was a quote from the article posted.
The decision from the court was posted later and gave a more detailed explanation.
If you want to challange the professionalism of William Eggington or Judge John Nelson conclusion, then you should probably come down to AZ and file an appeal on her behalf.

 

[zappasguitar]

As you can see, it was a quote from the article posted.
The decision from the court was posted later and gave a more detailed explanation.
If you want to challange the professionalism of William Eggington or Judge John Nelson conclusion, then you should probably come down to AZ and file an appeal on her behalf.

Oh I won't have to...once the rest of the country starts to discuss the true stupidity of that ruling, Arizona will once again become the laughingstock of the nation and the appeals will come POURING in...if they aren't already.

 

[USFREEDOM911]

Oh I won't have to...once the rest of the country starts to discuss the true stupidity of that ruling, Arizona will once again become the laughingstock of the nation and the appeals will come POURING in...if they aren't already.

I see.
So you were never interested in the truth, you just wanted something else to bitch and moan about.

You could have explained that sooner and saved everyone a lot of time.