Covid Follies #22: Told ya so!

Nordberg said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Which has no effect on the information in the OP. Nor does it change the fact that doctors have the legal option to "choose" whether a death was directly attributed to covid or a pre-existing condition. And let's not forget the FACT that the PCR test DOES NOT DIAGNOSE WHAT IS MAKING YOU SICK. It's inventor spent years explaining that, but too much money and prestige was to be made by big pharma and the doctors/scientist who bought into the false premise.

I know it does not have the cached of Breitbart of Infowars, but those are the easily documented facts.
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The documented facts are what I provided.
You responded with a typical right wing conspiracy.
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I did not doubt the official status of your link...you might want to look into the guidelines for determination of death in Covid cases.

Bottom line: Your problem is that you don't like the FACTS presented in the OP because they contradict the PR from the status quo regarding vaccine(s) safety and effectiveness. You can't refute or disprove them.

Also, you seem not to know the work of the late Dr. Kary Mullis and his advocacy against trying to use his method as a diagnostic tool. Please do the research, and don't stop at the one article that tries to parse Mullis' statements to support using PCR as a diagnostic tool. Once you're up to speed with that, then we can continue.

P.S. the "right wing conspiracy" NEVER refers to Mullis (at least not to my public knowledge). They are against the vaccines for a socio-political agenda. I'm dealing strictly from a health concern standard. Particular facts seems to serve both agendas, of which I have no control over.
 
Taichiliberal said:
Which has no effect on the information in the OP. Nor does it change the fact that doctors have the legal option to "choose" whether a death was directly attributed to covid or a pre-existing condition. And let's not forget the FACT that the PCR test DOES NOT DIAGNOSE WHAT IS MAKING YOU SICK. It's inventor spent years explaining that, but too much money and prestige was to be made by big pharma and the doctors/scientist who bought into the false premise.

I know it does not have the cached of Breitbart of Infowars, but those are the easily documented facts.
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That was insulting to the medical profession. You imply the selected Covid out of many options, for some unknown reason. Death certificates filled out wrongly can cost a doctor his job. They are not perfect. But there is no plot to overplay Covid.
 
Nordberg said:
They did not lie. They told us what science and the medical profession have arrived at as the Covid journey started and continued. Why would they lie? Well, Trump did pressure them to lie a lot.
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I don't think they "lied." I think they decided early on on what might be called a "Zero tolerance" approach to Chinese Disease. That is a very common phenomena in bureaucracies. They thought masks might work so they demanded everyone wear one all of the time. They thought social distancing might work so they demanded we do it. They thought that 14 days was "safe" after catching it, but really didn't know what the actual number was. They demanded lockdowns because those might work.

Politicians, particularly ones that willingly listen to bureaucrats and supposed experts, went along uncritically. Then came the "Do as we say or else!" demands. That should have raised a huge red flag for anyone with a skeptical mind. Worse, any alternative medications or palliatives to that the bureaucrats were for, got vilified and demeaned as worthless. That too should have raised a huge red flag for a skeptical mind.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
I don't think they "lied." I think they decided early on on what might be called a "Zero tolerance" approach to Chinese Disease. That is a very common phenomena in bureaucracies. They thought masks might work so they demanded everyone wear one all of the time. They thought social distancing might work so they demanded we do it. They thought that 14 days was "safe" after catching it, but really didn't know what the actual number was. They demanded lockdowns because those might work.

Politicians, particularly ones that willingly listen to bureaucrats and supposed experts, went along uncritically. Then came the "Do as we say or else!" demands. That should have raised a huge red flag for anyone with a skeptical mind. Worse, any alternative medications or palliatives to that the bureaucrats were for, got vilified and demeaned as worthless. That too should have raised a huge red flag for a skeptical mind.
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Agreed.
 
Nordberg said:
Originally Posted by Taichiliberal View Post
Which has no effect on the information in the OP. Nor does it change the fact that doctors have the legal option to "choose" whether a death was directly attributed to covid or a pre-existing condition. And let's not forget the FACT that the PCR test DOES NOT DIAGNOSE WHAT IS MAKING YOU SICK. It's inventor spent years explaining that, but too much money and prestige was to be made by big pharma and the doctors/scientist who bought into the false premise.

I know it does not have the cached of Breitbart of Infowars, but those are the easily documented facts.
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That was insulting to the medical profession. You imply the selected Covid out of many options, for some unknown reason. Death certificates filled out wrongly can cost a doctor his job. They are not perfect. But there is no plot to overplay Covid.
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Your first sentence is a joke...a sad joke because that seems to be the position of a lot of folk, the MSM and the and the medical establishment ... critical analysis and contrary FACTS spoken out loud are "insulting".

My man, I don't give a flying fuck about establishment prestige and such. And I'm sure as hell am not "implying" anything. I'm TELLING YOU of facts that you are obviously NOT aware of. A primer for your education. Note the "guesswork" leans towards validating the system: https://www.politico.com/newsletters/politico-nightly/2021/10/21/what-counts-as-a-covid-death-494786


And here, the catch phrase is "best clinical judgement"....part of that judgement is STILL inaccurately using the PCR test as a diagnostic tool, which it's inventor spetn years trying to teach the medical profession that it's not.

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/covid19/coding-and-reporting.htm

No, not a "plot"...just a-typical medical hubris, insipid stubbornness, ineptitude with a little corruption thrown in. Deal with it.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
I don't think they "lied." I think they decided early on on what might be called a "Zero tolerance" approach to Chinese Disease. That is a very common phenomena in bureaucracies. They thought masks might work so they demanded everyone wear one all of the time. They thought social distancing might work so they demanded we do it. They thought that 14 days was "safe" after catching it, but really didn't know what the actual number was. They demanded lockdowns because those might work.

Politicians, particularly ones that willingly listen to bureaucrats and supposed experts, went along uncritically. Then came the "Do as we say or else!" demands. That should have raised a huge red flag for anyone with a skeptical mind. Worse, any alternative medications or palliatives to that the bureaucrats were for, got vilified and demeaned as worthless. That too should have raised a huge red flag for a skeptical mind.
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Social distancing and masks worked. Some worked better than others. We did not have high-level masks available for the public in the beginning.
Trump offered stupid ideas that did not work. If you want to get fired up, blame the guy who made the messes. He also convinced a lot of people to eschew logical and easy preventatives, while he was getting vaccines for himself. When he got it he received an experimental antibody treatment that you cannot get.
 
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