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Republican politicians often treat it as an established fact: Where they are in power, crime is low. Where Democrats are in power, crime is high.

“Republican-run cities are doing very nicely because they arrest people when you have crimes,” Donald Trump told Tucker Carlson last week.

“The cities and these left-wing states allowing criminals to run wild on our streets, that doesn’t work,” Ron DeSantis, Florida’s governor, said in March, citing New York in particular.

But party rule does not drive crime. Consider DeSantis’s state, Florida. Its homicide rate was roughly 50 percent higher than New York’s in 2021. Florida’s two most populous cities, Jacksonville and Miami, each had a homicide rate more than double New York City’s last year, even though both had Republican mayors.

This is not to say Republican leadership leads to more crime. You can find examples of blue states and cities doing worse than Florida, and of other red states and cities doing better. Looking at all the data, it is hard to make much of any connection between political partisanship and crime. To put it another way, prominent Republicans are misrepresenting the country’s crime problem.

Comparing places
The Republican claim is rooted in a real pattern. Big cities generally have higher crime rates than rural and suburban areas, thanks to their density and other factors. Democrats run most big cities because urban areas tend to contain more liberal voters. So when looking at the places with the most murders, you’ll often find Democratic-run cities. But that is not the whole story.

Take the 20 largest U.S. cities. The 16 run by Democratic mayors had 12.3 murders for every 100,000 people. The three Republican-run cities — Jacksonville, Fort Worth and Oklahoma City — had a rate of 11.4. There is a difference, but it is small. (I’m focused on murders because the data for them is more reliable than for other crimes, which go underreported.)

Those rates mask a lot of variation. In a ranked list of murders for all 20 cities, the three Republican-run cities fall around the middle. Some blue cities — such as New York, San Francisco and Seattle — have roughly half the murder rates as their red counterparts, while the rates in other blue cities, like Philadelphia, Indianapolis and Chicago, are two to three times as high.

That variation is the point: Whether a big city is run by Democrats or Republicans has little influence on its murder rate.

The same is true at the state level for homicides, as this map by my colleague Ashley Wu shows:

Homicide rates by state
A map shows homicide rates by state. Mississippi and Louisiana have the highest rates at 23.7 and 21.3 deaths per 100,000 people, respectively. Among the lowest rates are Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont and Wyoming.

Homicide rates by state
A map shows homicide rates by state. Mississippi and Louisiana have the highest rates at 23.7 and 21.3 deaths per 100,000 people, respectively. Among the lowest rates are Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont and Wyoming.

Once again, it’s hard to see a strong link between party rule and killings. The four deadliest states are Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama and New Mexico. Two have Democratic governors, and two have Republican governors. Some red states look bad, and some look good. The same is true for blue states.

Deeper causes
So what drives higher crime rates? The state map offers a few answers. Rural areas tend to have lower crime and murder rates. (But when murders surged and then fell across the U.S. starting in 2020, rural places experienced a similar pattern.) Poverty and race play a role, both of which are historically linked to violence in cities.

Access to guns is another major factor, particularly for murders. Guns make any conflict more likely to escalate into deadly violence, and they can embolden criminals. On this issue, there is a partisan divide — Democrats are more comfortable regulating firearms — and that could help explain higher levels of violence in Republican states, especially in the South. It can also explain violence in cities, which get a lot of guns from Southern states with laxer laws.

There are many more variables. It is a point that this newsletter has made before: Crime is a complicated issue, touching on personal disputes, the economy, social services and, really, almost every other aspect of society. Only a few factors are significant enough to make a big difference by themselves — and partisanship is not one of them.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/31/briefing/crime.html
 
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Crime in Florida is going down under DeSantis. Can New York say the same under Democratic leadership?

This is much like Biden claiming the economy is doing great while everyone is feeling the pinch of inflation.

poverty is a big player. Even a state tough on crime with a weakening economy will see an increase in crime.
 
Crime in Florida is going down under DeSantis. Can New York say the same under Democratic leadership?

This is much like Biden claiming the economy is doing great while everyone is feeling the pinch of inflation.

poverty is a big player. Even a state tough on crime with a weakening economy will see an increase in crime.

"Consider DeSantis’s state, Florida. Its homicide rate was roughly 50 percent higher than New York’s in 2021. Florida’s two most populous cities, Jacksonville and Miami, each had a homicide rate more than double New York City’s last year, even though both had Republican mayors."

2018:
FL 6.6 NY 3.2
2019
FL 6.7 NY 3.2
2020
FL 7.8 NY 4.7
2021
FL 7.4 NY 4.8

 
Crime isn't political--it's entirely a function of irresponsible procreation.

Why can't everybody see that?

Did you read Freakonomics? The crime rate began falling in the 1990s and nobody can give a definitive reason why it occurred. In the book the author says it is abortion which reduced the population most responsible for crime (teenage males).
 
"Consider DeSantis’s state, Florida. Its homicide rate was roughly 50 percent higher than New York’s in 2021. Florida’s two most populous cities, Jacksonville and Miami, each had a homicide rate more than double New York City’s last year, even though both had Republican mayors."

2018:
FL 6.6 NY 3.2
2019
FL 6.7 NY 3.2
2020
FL 7.8 NY 4.7
2021
FL 7.4 NY 4.8

I would suggest you have a better control experiment by comparing Florida with a GOP control vs Florida with Democratic control

Comparing two different states with radically different cultures is less useful IMO
 
BullSHit.....crime is being driven on purpose by the Revolution as they drive for power, the only thing that matters with the WOKE Regressives.
 
Republican politicians often treat it as an established fact: Where they are in power, crime is low. Where Democrats are in power, crime is high.

“Republican-run cities are doing very nicely because they arrest people when you have crimes,” Donald Trump told Tucker Carlson last week.

“The cities and these left-wing states allowing criminals to run wild on our streets, that doesn’t work,” Ron DeSantis, Florida’s governor, said in March, citing New York in particular.

But party rule does not drive crime. Consider DeSantis’s state, Florida. Its homicide rate was roughly 50 percent higher than New York’s in 2021. Florida’s two most populous cities, Jacksonville and Miami, each had a homicide rate more than double New York City’s last year, even though both had Republican mayors.

This is not to say Republican leadership leads to more crime. You can find examples of blue states and cities doing worse than Florida, and of other red states and cities doing better. Looking at all the data, it is hard to make much of any connection between political partisanship and crime. To put it another way, prominent Republicans are misrepresenting the country’s crime problem.

Comparing places
The Republican claim is rooted in a real pattern. Big cities generally have higher crime rates than rural and suburban areas, thanks to their density and other factors. Democrats run most big cities because urban areas tend to contain more liberal voters. So when looking at the places with the most murders, you’ll often find Democratic-run cities. But that is not the whole story.

Take the 20 largest U.S. cities. The 16 run by Democratic mayors had 12.3 murders for every 100,000 people. The three Republican-run cities — Jacksonville, Fort Worth and Oklahoma City — had a rate of 11.4. There is a difference, but it is small. (I’m focused on murders because the data for them is more reliable than for other crimes, which go underreported.)

Those rates mask a lot of variation. In a ranked list of murders for all 20 cities, the three Republican-run cities fall around the middle. Some blue cities — such as New York, San Francisco and Seattle — have roughly half the murder rates as their red counterparts, while the rates in other blue cities, like Philadelphia, Indianapolis and Chicago, are two to three times as high.

That variation is the point: Whether a big city is run by Democrats or Republicans has little influence on its murder rate.

The same is true at the state level for homicides, as this map by my colleague Ashley Wu shows:

Homicide rates by state
A map shows homicide rates by state. Mississippi and Louisiana have the highest rates at 23.7 and 21.3 deaths per 100,000 people, respectively. Among the lowest rates are Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont and Wyoming.

Homicide rates by state
A map shows homicide rates by state. Mississippi and Louisiana have the highest rates at 23.7 and 21.3 deaths per 100,000 people, respectively. Among the lowest rates are Maine, New Hampshire, Vermont and Wyoming.

Once again, it’s hard to see a strong link between party rule and killings. The four deadliest states are Mississippi, Louisiana, Alabama and New Mexico. Two have Democratic governors, and two have Republican governors. Some red states look bad, and some look good. The same is true for blue states.

Deeper causes
So what drives higher crime rates? The state map offers a few answers. Rural areas tend to have lower crime and murder rates. (But when murders surged and then fell across the U.S. starting in 2020, rural places experienced a similar pattern.) Poverty and race play a role, both of which are historically linked to violence in cities.

Access to guns is another major factor, particularly for murders. Guns make any conflict more likely to escalate into deadly violence, and they can embolden criminals. On this issue, there is a partisan divide — Democrats are more comfortable regulating firearms — and that could help explain higher levels of violence in Republican states, especially in the South. It can also explain violence in cities, which get a lot of guns from Southern states with laxer laws.

There are many more variables. It is a point that this newsletter has made before: Crime is a complicated issue, touching on personal disputes, the economy, social services and, really, almost every other aspect of society. Only a few factors are significant enough to make a big difference by themselves — and partisanship is not one of them.

https://www.nytimes.com/2023/08/31/briefing/crime.html

Top 20 US cities with the highest homicide rates. I looked at just the top three want to guess their party affiliation? I didn't want to waste my time with the other 17.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-city-rankings/cities-with-most-murders
 
I would suggest you have a better control experiment by comparing Florida with a GOP control vs Florida with Democratic control

Comparing two different states with radically different cultures is less useful IMO

I think the author explored those other factors in his analysis. Florida with Democratic or Republican control does not affect the crime rate. Crime increases or decreases across the country despite partisan control.
 
I think the author explored those other factors in his analysis. Florida with Democratic or Republican control does not affect the crime rate. Crime increases or decreases across the country despite partisan control.

How about if we ignore partisan control and focus on economic outlook?
 
Top 20 US cities with the highest homicide rates. I looked at just the top three want to guess their party affiliation? I didn't want to waste my time with the other 17.

https://worldpopulationreview.com/us-city-rankings/cities-with-most-murders

And the states with the highest homicide rate are Republican run states. Do you think that accounts for the higher crime?

"Take the 20 largest U.S. cities. The 16 run by Democratic mayors had 12.3 murders for every 100,000 people. The three Republican-run cities — Jacksonville, Fort Worth and Oklahoma City — had a rate of 11.4. There is a difference, but it is small."

The point of the article is that party control is not related to homicide rate.
 
Did you read Freakonomics? The crime rate began falling in the 1990s and nobody can give a definitive reason why it occurred. In the book the author says it is abortion which reduced the population most responsible for crime (teenage males).

That makes sense to me.

There are several causes of human misery--too many--

but I am completely convinced that irresponsible procreation

is by far the most prominent cause of it.
 
Is there one main variable that determines homicide rates?

I've not made the effort to seriously study this subject,

and I'll readily admit that,

but off the top of my head,

I can clearly see

that the planet is overrun with people

who deserve to be whacked.

That has to be part of it, I would think.:cool:
 
I've not made the effort to seriously study this subject,

and I'll readily admit that,

but off the top of my head,

I can clearly see

that the planet is overrun with people

who deserve to be whacked.

That has to be part of it, I would think.:cool:

This is indeed a dark age.
 
Just ride it out with the rest of it, Hawk.
We don't know what's going to change.
And eventually, things do change.

It's beyond ludicrous to imagine it now

but there was a time in my youth

when I actually thought that I might like to live

in Miami Beach.:whoa:

I should be embarrassed to admit it, but it's true.
I used to have fun there.
 
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