Currently if nothing changes Obama breaks his tax pledge in 2010

Chapdog

Abreast of the situations
NEW YORK (Reuters.com) --The Obama administration's plan to cut more than $1 trillion from the deficit over the next decade relies heavily on so-called backdoor tax increases that will result in a bigger tax bill for middle-class families.

In the 2010 budget tabled by President Barack Obama on Monday, the White House wants to let billions of dollars in tax breaks expire by the end of the year -- effectively a tax hike by stealth.

While the administration is focusing its proposal on eliminating tax breaks for individuals who earn $250,000 a year or more, middle-class families will face a slew of these backdoor increases.

The targeted tax provisions were enacted under the Bush administration's Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001. Among other things, the law lowered individual tax rates, slashed taxes on capital gains and dividends, and steadily scaled back the estate tax to zero in 2010.

If the provisions are allowed to expire on December 31, the top-tier personal income tax rate will rise to 39.6 percent from 35 percent. But lower-income families will pay more as well: the 25 percent tax bracket will revert back to 28 percent; the 28 percent bracket will increase to 31 percent; and the 33 percent bracket will increase to 36 percent. The special 10 percent bracket is eliminated.

Investors will pay more on their earnings next year as well, with the tax on dividends jumping to 39.6 percent from 15 percent and the capital-gains tax increasing to 20 percent from 15 percent. The estate tax is eliminated this year, but it will return in 2011 -- though there has been talk about reinstating the death tax sooner.

Millions of middle-class households already may be facing higher taxes in 2010 because Congress has failed to extend tax breaks that expired on January 1, most notably a "patch" that limited the impact of the alternative minimum tax. The AMT, initially designed to prevent the very rich from avoiding income taxes, was never indexed for inflation. Now the tax is affecting millions of middle-income households, but lawmakers have been reluctant to repeal it because it has become a key source of revenue.

Without annual legislation to renew the patch this year, the AMT could affect an estimated 25 million taxpayers with incomes as low as $33,750 (or $45,000 for joint filers). Even if the patch is extended to last year's levels, the tax will hit American families that can hardly be considered wealthy -- the AMT exemption for 2009 was $46,700 for singles and $70,950 for married couples filing jointly.

Middle-class families also will find fewer tax breaks available to them in 2010 if other popular tax provisions are allowed to expire. Among them:

* Taxpayers who itemize will lose the option to deduct state sales-tax payments instead of state and local income taxes;

* The $250 teacher tax credit for classroom supplies;

* The tax deduction for up to $4,000 of college tuition and expenses;

* Individuals who don't itemize will no longer be able to increase their standard deduction by up to $1,000 for property taxes paid;

* The first $2,400 of unemployment benefits are taxable, in 2009 that amount was tax-free.
 
From what I read, according to his budget proposals, Obama is asking Congress to maintain the Bush tax cuts for those under $250k ($200k for individuals). From what I read yesterday that includes not only income from wages but also a maintenance of the current cap gains rules.
 
From what I read, according to his budget proposals, Obama is asking Congress to maintain the Bush tax cuts for those under $250k ($200k for individuals). From what I read yesterday that includes not only income from wages but also a maintenance of the current cap gains rules.


Yeah, but if nothing changes . . .

Basically, Obama is being held responsible for what the law currently says regardless of what his budget proposals provide.
 
Yeah, but if nothing changes . . .

Basically, Obama is being held responsible for what the law currently says regardless of what his budget proposals provide.

As he should be. He made the pledge that he would not raise taxes on those making under $250k. He has complete control of Congress and on tax cuts he is not likely to meet resistance from Republicans (unless of course the Dems try to attach other non-related bullshit measures to the bill).

He knew the expiration was coming. It is his job to either get Congress to extend or make permanent the tax cuts mentioned OR break his campaign promise and get hammered for it.
 
As he should be. He made the pledge that he would not raise taxes on those making under $250k. He has complete control of Congress and on tax cuts he is not likely to meet resistance from Republicans (unless of course the Dems try to attach other non-related bullshit measures to the bill).

He knew the expiration was coming. It is his job to either get Congress to extend or make permanent the tax cuts mentioned OR break his campaign promise and get hammered for it.


The second bolded portion should tell you all you need to know about the first bolded portion. He will meet Republican resistance because he will be hammered if his changes don't pass.
 
He said no taxes increases for under 250k. if there are tax increases he broke his promise regardless of how they occur. If he cant guide and have some control on congress hes got no business being president.
 
NEW YORK (Reuters.com) --The Obama administration's plan to cut more than $1 trillion from the deficit over the next decade relies heavily on so-called backdoor tax increases that will result in a bigger tax bill for middle-class families.

In the 2010 budget tabled by President Barack Obama on Monday, the White House wants to let billions of dollars in tax breaks expire by the end of the year -- effectively a tax hike by stealth.

While the administration is focusing its proposal on eliminating tax breaks for individuals who earn $250,000 a year or more, middle-class families will face a slew of these backdoor increases.

The targeted tax provisions were enacted under the Bush administration's Economic Growth and Tax Relief Reconciliation Act of 2001. Among other things, the law lowered individual tax rates, slashed taxes on capital gains and dividends, and steadily scaled back the estate tax to zero in 2010.

If the provisions are allowed to expire on December 31, the top-tier personal income tax rate will rise to 39.6 percent from 35 percent. But lower-income families will pay more as well: the 25 percent tax bracket will revert back to 28 percent; the 28 percent bracket will increase to 31 percent; and the 33 percent bracket will increase to 36 percent. The special 10 percent bracket is eliminated.

Investors will pay more on their earnings next year as well, with the tax on dividends jumping to 39.6 percent from 15 percent and the capital-gains tax increasing to 20 percent from 15 percent. The estate tax is eliminated this year, but it will return in 2011 -- though there has been talk about reinstating the death tax sooner.

Millions of middle-class households already may be facing higher taxes in 2010 because Congress has failed to extend tax breaks that expired on January 1, most notably a "patch" that limited the impact of the alternative minimum tax. The AMT, initially designed to prevent the very rich from avoiding income taxes, was never indexed for inflation. Now the tax is affecting millions of middle-income households, but lawmakers have been reluctant to repeal it because it has become a key source of revenue.

Without annual legislation to renew the patch this year, the AMT could affect an estimated 25 million taxpayers with incomes as low as $33,750 (or $45,000 for joint filers). Even if the patch is extended to last year's levels, the tax will hit American families that can hardly be considered wealthy -- the AMT exemption for 2009 was $46,700 for singles and $70,950 for married couples filing jointly.

Middle-class families also will find fewer tax breaks available to them in 2010 if other popular tax provisions are allowed to expire. Among them:

* Taxpayers who itemize will lose the option to deduct state sales-tax payments instead of state and local income taxes;

* The $250 teacher tax credit for classroom supplies;

* The tax deduction for up to $4,000 of college tuition and expenses;

* Individuals who don't itemize will no longer be able to increase their standard deduction by up to $1,000 for property taxes paid;

* The first $2,400 of unemployment benefits are taxable, in 2009 that amount was tax-free.

So in your mind, if Congress does not act Obama is breaking a promise!
 
Yes that is correct. Kiss of death. I along with many other independents voted for obama based on that promise... ohh and then I would never believe a dem again on taxes.
 
The second bolded portion should tell you all you need to know about the first bolded portion. He will meet Republican resistance because he will be hammered if his changes don't pass.

again... if it is a straight up bill, he will not meet resistance. It would be political suicide for the Republicans to fight a continuation of tax cuts for those making under the $250k. PERIOD.

Unless the Dems are ignorant and start attaching non-related items that the Reps can point to as reasons for not supporting the bill, then the bill will fly through.

I think you are simply making excuses for your messiah.
 
So in your mind, if Congress does not act Obama is breaking a promise!

Without question. He is the President of the United States and HIS party is in control of both houses of Congress. If he cannot get this done, then as Chap stated, he has NO business being President.
 
Without question. He is the President of the United States and HIS party is in control of both houses of Congress. If he cannot get this done, then as Chap stated, he has NO business being President.

I see... okay your creditability is shot!

Blame Congress if you must but, incase you have not noticed... Congress does not always do what President Obama wants.
 
bottom line is he best fix that sunset in the bush tax code for under 250k or whole lot of people gonna be hurting financially when they get a massive tax bill in 2011.
 
again... if it is a straight up bill, he will not meet resistance. It would be political suicide for the Republicans to fight a continuation of tax cuts for those making under the $250k. PERIOD.

Unless the Dems are ignorant and start attaching non-related items that the Reps can point to as reasons for not supporting the bill, then the bill will fly through.

I think you are simply making excuses for your messiah.


I guarantee you that regardless of what the Democrats propose, the Republicans will hold it hostage for more tax cuts for their preferred constituency, rich people.

If Obama's changes don't pass, who do you think will be blamed? The Republicans? Not likely. They have every incentive to hold out.

In the end, Obama and the Democrats will cave to Republican demands, the Republicans will get their tax cuts for the wealthy and then they'll bitch and bitch and bitch about the deficit without a hint of irony and blame everything on "entitlements."

It isn't difficult to see where this is going.
 
I see... okay your creditability is shot!

Blame Congress if you must but, incase you have not noticed... Congress does not always do what President Obama wants.

Eh - Obama did make the promise. Presumably, he knew how Capitol Hill works when he made it.

If the tax cuts lapse for those under $250K, it's a promise broken (and probably a deal-breaker for a lot of voters - see Bush 41)
 
I see... okay your creditability is shot!

Blame Congress if you must but, incase you have not noticed... Congress does not always do what President Obama wants.

I have to disagree slightly here. You are right in that Congress doesn't always do what the president wants but a good leader can at least fashion things in such a way as to get some of what he wants accomplished. Even as poor a president as most thought George W. Bush was he got some of his agenda passed with democrats in congress voting for it. So yes, blame Congress a lot but don't give Obama a complete pass here.
 
I see... okay your creditability is shot!

Blame Congress if you must but, incase you have not noticed... Congress does not always do what President Obama wants.

Were you shooting for credibility?

Listen moron... if the President is incapable of getting something as simple as this passed through a Congress controlled by HIS party, then he should not be the LEADER of this country. Period.

It is truly amazing how many excuses are already being laid down by his faithful worshipers. No matter how much control the Dems have, the sheep pretend it is not enough.
 
I guarantee you that regardless of what the Democrats propose, the Republicans will hold it hostage for more tax cuts for their preferred constituency, rich people.

If Obama's changes don't pass, who do you think will be blamed? The Republicans? Not likely. They have every incentive to hold out.

In the end, Obama and the Democrats will cave to Republican demands, the Republicans will get their tax cuts for the wealthy and then they'll bitch and bitch and bitch about the deficit without a hint of irony and blame everything on "entitlements."

It isn't difficult to see where this is going.

ahh yes.... more of your Democratic talking points... 'dem Republicans only cares about them rich folk...' blah blah blah blah blah

Again... If the Dems put up a straight fix to the under $250k, it would be political suicide for the Republicans to oppose it. They would be massacred in November. Pretending otherwise is just idiocy.
 
Were you shooting for credibility?

Listen moron... if the President is incapable of getting something as simple as this passed through a Congress controlled by HIS party, then he should not be the LEADER of this country. Period.

It is truly amazing how many excuses are already being laid down by his faithful worshipers. No matter how much control the Dems have, the sheep pretend it is not enough.


SF, I'm merely disputing your claim that the Republicans will go along with whatever Obama proposes so long as it doesn't have unrelated items attached. The Republicans have no incentive to do so. They have something Obama needs, one vote. They won't give it up for nothing. Unless, as I said, the Democrats just use reconciliation.

Obama's changes will pass. The only question is at what cost.
 
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