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Worst winter ever? Baltimore, DC break snowfall records with back-to-back blizzards

02-10-2010 10:08 PM MST *By NAFEESA SYEED, Associated Press Writer
WASHINGTON (Associated Press) --
Worst winter ever? The second blizzard in less than a week buried the most populous stretch of the East Coast under nearly a foot of snow Wednesday, breaking records for the snowiest winter and demoralizing millions of people still trying to dig out from the previous storm.

Conditions in the nation's capital were so bad that even plows were advised to get off the roads, and forecasters were eyeing a third storm that could be brewing for next week.

For many families, the first storm was a fun weekend diversion. People even went skiing past Washington's monuments. But Wednesday's blizzard quickly became a serious safety concern. The Pennsylvania governor shut down some highways and warned that people who drove were risking their lives.

"I've seen enough," said Bill Daly, 57, as gusts of wind and snow lashed his face in Arlington, Va., where streets were nearly empty just a few days after people had been playing in the snow.

"It's scary and beautiful at the same time. I wanted to shovel but thought if I had a heart attack it could be a while before anybody found me in this kind of weather."

Old-timers talk about a storm that blew through Washington in 1922, collapsing the roof on the Knickerbocker theater and killing more than 90 people. Their great-great-grandchildren will be able to describe the back-to-back blizzards of 2010, which were not nearly as deadly but set records for the snowiest winters ever in Washington, Baltimore and Philadelphia.

Up to 16 inches fell in parts of western Maryland. Reagan National Airport outside Washington had nearly 10 inches by 2 p.m., and Baltimore got nearly a foot. That was on top of totals up to 3 feet in some places from the weekend storm.

"I have never in my lifetime seen or heard anything quite like this," said D.C. Fire Chief Dennis L. Rubin, who was born and raised in the District.

The previous records for snowiest winters were 62.5 inches in Baltimore in 1995-96; 54.4 inches in Washington in 1898-99; and 65.5 inches in Philadelphia in 1995-96.

On Wednesday, Baltimore had 72.3 inches so far this winter, the Washington area had 54.9 inches and Philadelphia had 70.3 inches.

Heavy snow also fell in New York and New Jersey. Airlines canceled hundreds of flights, and New York City's 1.1 million schoolchildren enjoyed only their third snow day in six years. The Washington area's two airports had no flights coming or going Wednesday.

The streets of downtown Philadelphia were nearly vacant as people heeded the mayor's advice to stay home.

Entrance ramps to closed highways were blockaded, and the Pennsylvania National Guard had Humvees stocked with food and blankets ready to help anyone who got stuck. Earlier in the day, about 25 vehicles were involved in two separate pileups on snowy Interstate 80 in central Pennsylvania. One man was killed and 18 people injured.

"For your safety, do not drive," Gov. Ed Rendell said. "You will risk your life and, potentially, the lives of others if you get stuck on highways or any road."

Two other people were killed when their snowmobile struck a moving vehicle at an intersection in Lancaster, Pa. Emergency officials in eastern Pennsylvania reported more than 200 vehicles stranded since noon Wednesday along Interstate 78.

In Virginia, where some areas had snow totals exceeding 30 inches from the two storms, winds were howling at 50 mph and temperatures were plunging. Gov. Bob McDonnell urged people to stay indoors.

"This snow reminds me of when I was driving tractor-trailers in Saudi Arabia, and the sandstorm starts and you can't see the roads," said Syeed Zada, 55, a plow driver for the Virginia Department of Transportation.

More than 100,000 utility customers in Pennsylvania were without power. Some never got it back after the last storm.

Glenn Harvey, 59, who has a lung problem and needs oxygen, had been staying at a Red Cross shelter in Bentleyville, Pa., since Saturday.

Firefighters brought him there after the storm knocked out power to his house Friday night. His wife stayed home with their dog, where she's using a kerosene heater to keep warm.

"It's not been easy on her," Harvey said.

In Washington, officials announced that federal agencies would stay closed for a fourth straight day Thursday. The longest weather-related government shutdown ever was in 1996, when employees did not have to go to work for a full week.

A Caribou Coffee shop in the capital was standing room only. Most people pecked away at laptop computers as snow fell steadily outside.

"Can't get to the office, but the work still needs to get done," said attorney Christopher Erckert.

Driving conditions got so bad that officials in Washington and some nearby suburbs pulled plows off the roads. In Baltimore, Pete Korfiatis dumped snow into the Inner Harbor with a front-end loader until city officials decided the roads were too slick.

"They just shut everything down," he said.

Heavy snow collapsed part of the roof and a wall at a Smithsonian Institution storage building in Suitland, Md. It was not clear if any artifacts were damaged.

The District of Columbia's representative in Congress asked the White House to declare a federal emergency to help the capital recover.

In New York, George and Natividad Sanchez trudged over slushy sidewalks in boots, parkas and scarves to take their 2-year-old daughter to see "Sesame Street Live: When Elmo Grows Up."

"I didn't want to disappoint her," George Sanchez said as the family arrived for the show at a theater in Madison Square Garden.

The news wasn't all bad. Washington has not had a homicide in a week. Ski areas were doing brisk business, when people could get to them. And private contractors were making money plowing driveways and parking lots.

But many people were just ready for the ordeal to end.

In a yard in Westmont, N.J., someone used bright orange paint to scrawl nature a message on a white backdrop: "Dear Mr Frost," it read. "We're good w/ snow."
 
What is hilarious is, the next thing on the Democrat agenda (if they can ever get through the snow) is Cap and Trade... The legislative initiative to regulate industries who contribute to Global Warming! It's almost like someone is trying to tell them something, isn't it?
 
What is hilarious is, the next thing on the Democrat agenda (if they can ever get through the snow) is Cap and Trade... The legislative initiative to regulate industries who contribute to Global Warming! It's almost like someone is trying to tell them something, isn't it?

They would have a better acceptance chance, if they would address this as polution; instead of trying to force this as global warming.
 
that's climate change

more severe weather at both extremes, i.e., hotter summers and colder winters

where i live we have nearly double our seasonal rainfall and the rainy season is not over yet

i am just glad that i do not live on a flood plane or near a seashore only a few feet above sea level
 
that's climate change

more severe weather at both extremes, i.e., hotter summers and colder winters

I can't remember when it has been colder here in Tampa.

From what I understand we are in a cooling period that was predicted by many of the climate models. It is not expected to last that long and does not change that these same models show that we are in a general warming period with a slightly longer view.
 
I suppose the concept of "global" is lost on some people. The world does not consist of the eastern United States:

2009 was tied for the second warmest year in the modern record, a new NASA analysis of global surface temperature shows. The analysis, conducted by the Goddard Institute for Space Studies (GISS) in New York City, also shows that in the Southern Hemisphere, 2009 was the warmest year since modern records began in 1880.

Although 2008 was the coolest year of the decade -- due to strong cooling of the tropical Pacific Ocean -- 2009 saw a return to near-record global temperatures. The past year was only a fraction of a degree cooler than 2005, the warmest year on record, and tied with a cluster of other years -- 1998, 2002, 2003, 2006 and 2007 -- as the second warmest year since recordkeeping began.

“There’s always an interest in the annual temperature numbers and on a given year’s ranking, but usually that misses the point,” said James Hansen, the director of GISS. “There's substantial year-to-year variability of global temperature caused by the tropical El Niño-La Niña cycle. But when we average temperature over five or ten years to minimize that variability, we find that global warming is continuing unabated."

January 2000 to December 2009 was the warmest decade on record. Throughout the last three decades, the GISS surface temperature record shows an upward trend of about 0.2°C (0.36°F) per decade. Since 1880, the year that modern scientific instrumentation became available to monitor temperatures precisely, a clear warming trend is present, though there was a leveling off between the 1940s and 1970s.

The near-record temperatures of 2009 occurred despite an unseasonably cool December in much of North America. High air pressures in the Arctic decreased the east-west flow of the jet stream, while also increasing its tendency to blow from north to south and draw cold air southward from the Arctic. This resulted in an unusual effect that caused frigid air from the Arctic to rush into North America and warmer mid-latitude air to shift toward the north.

"Of course, the contiguous 48 states cover only 1.5 percent of the world area, so the U.S. temperature does not affect the global temperature much,' said Hansen.


http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/temp-analysis-2009.html
 
Back in the 60's this same crowd was predicting global cooling. They even developed a scheme to color parts of the polar regions black to try and absorb more sunlight. :palm:
 
I suppose the concept of "global" is lost on some people. The world does not consist of the eastern United States:




http://www.nasa.gov/topics/earth/features/temp-analysis-2009.html

http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata/GLB.Ts+dSST.txt

Since I am not a scientist, perhaps one of you fear mongers can explain this to me....

According to this data... 2009 is NOT the warmest year on record as the article Dung posted states.

Also, why are they using 1951-1980 as the 'base' period?

Also, why did NASA admit 1934 was the warmest year on record (this was stated before 2009), when the data on here does not seem to show that?

Also, why does Hansen continue to block FOIA requests for the raw data?
 
http://data.giss.nasa.gov/gistemp/tabledata/GLB.Ts+dSST.txt

Since I am not a scientist, perhaps one of you fear mongers can explain this to me....

According to this data... 2009 is NOT the warmest year on record as the article Dung posted states.

Also, why are they using 1951-1980 as the 'base' period?

Also, why did NASA admit 1934 was the warmest year on record (this was stated before 2009), when the data on here does not seem to show that?

Also, why does Hansen continue to block FOIA requests for the raw data?


First, the article doesn't claim that 2009 is the warmest year on record.

Second, I have no idea why the base period is as stated.

Third, because further analysis based on the raw data released by NASA showed that 1934 was at the time the warmest year on record.

Fourth, the raw data is available. That's how the 1934 error was discovered.
 
And really, I posted the above not to get into a debate about global warming but to rebut the idiotic assertion that weather conditions in D.C. or the east coast or the United States for that matter reveal much of anything about global warming.
 
And really, I posted the above not to get into a debate about global warming but to rebut the idiotic assertion that weather conditions in D.C. or the east coast or the United States for that matter reveal much of anything about global warming.

On that, we agree. Though I do find it amusing. Those that aren't typically exposed to that kind of weather (and thus not typically equipped to deal with it) are funny to watch as they try to compensate.
 
Since it's been proven that the warmer scientist in essence "cooked the books", how do you know that we're not just experiancing a worldly normal temperture cycle or may even be entering another ice age??


Why don't we debate abortion instead? It'll be less contentious.
 
Better yet, why don't we bang our heads against the wall? It'll be a more productive use of our time.

You've rallied to the "It's mankinds fault that we're in a global warming trend, cry; but when asked to disprove the opposite, you want to change the subject matter. :good4u:

Doesn't seem like you truly believe in what you're attempting to support. :palm:
 
You've rallied to the "It's mankinds fault that we're in a global warming trend, cry; but when asked to disprove the opposite, you want to change the subject matter. :good4u:

Doesn't seem like you truly believe in what you're attempting to support. :palm:


Like I said, I'd rather bang my head against this here wall than engage in this debate. As I said, I posted the recent NASA finding regarding 2009 for a particular purpose, not to wade into the larger debate on global climate change.
 
And really, I posted the above not to get into a debate about global warming but to rebut the idiotic assertion that weather conditions in D.C. or the east coast or the United States for that matter reveal much of anything about global warming.
Weather anomalies have no real bearing on a trend, this is true. However the reality is that the measures proposed would have about as much effect as shouting in a vacuum.
 
Like I said, I'd rather bang my head against this here wall than engage in this debate. As I said, I posted the recent NASA finding regarding 2009 for a particular purpose, not to wade into the larger debate on global climate change.

So you just wanted to do a post by; ie: drive by!! :palm:
 
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