Define a 'Liberal' or a 'Conservative'

Superfreak said:
Ok, then explain to us. HOW does allowing gay marriage affect the traditional marriage? Does two gay guys getting married somehow deteriorate your family? Does it break the bond between you and your wife? Does it prevent you from raising your kids as you see fit, teaching them your values?

Does a gay couple who is willing to commit to each other with a bond of marriage not strengthen THEIR relationship? Thus making society as a whole stronger?
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please. There are more divorces than there are marriages....apparently, when they were saying their vows, they were only playing. I've been in my "marriage" for 10 years, come Oct.
I bet that beats more than half the righties' track records , 'round here.
 
DamnYankee said:
That's not my argument. I've stated that traditional marriage is the backbone of the family, which in turn is the backbone of society, so society has an obligation to protect it.
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In what way does a straight marriage provide any benefit to society that a gay couple would not? The only issue would be child birth, and that is easily remedied or worked around.

You have maintained that straight marriages provide benefits to society and that changing the word "marriage" to include two men or two women would damage the institution itself. How would it damage marriage at all? How would it effect your marriage in any way?

Can you answer these two questions? Not with the usual "strawman argument!" complaints, but with an actual straight answer.
 
Originally Posted by DamnYankee
That's not my argument. I've stated that traditional marriage is the backbone of the family, which in turn is the backbone of society, so society has an obligation to protect it.
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Ain't that about some bullshit? Traditional marriage? Please. With all the cheating, adultery, domestic violence, sexual abuse going on in "traditional families", nowadays, that would be a slap in the face to the institution, making a mockery of it, and providing much cynicism. Society doesn't take care of its' veterans, the elderly, the infirmed, children and women, and you have the audacity to cite marriage as society's obligation to protect. Such hypocrisy has forced me to make a cocktail, before 3:30 pm.
 
poet said:
Originally Posted by DamnYankee


Ain't that about some bullshit? Traditional marriage? Please. With all the cheating, adultery, domestic violence, sexual abuse going on in "traditional families", nowadays, that would be a slap in the face to the institution, making a mockery of it, and providing much cynicism. Society doesn't take care of its' veterans, the elderly, the infirmed, children and women, and you have the audacity to cite marriage as society's obligation to protect. Such hypocrisy has forced me to make a cocktail, before 3:30 pm.
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It boggles the mind!
 
ZappasGuitar said:
Show me where Rana has EVER claimed that society should take care of "individuals basic needs"...

You guys like to spread this lie that that is what Liberals want, but it's total nonsense.
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between rana, apple, and christie, a person shouldn't have to work for anything nor ever be worried about their own personal safety because they would have nanny state government walking with them to bandaid their booboos.
 
charver said:
I imagine the definitions change constantly depending on which state or country you are in at the time.

However, from my experience hanging round these places -

A liberal is more likely to call you a fascist c***.

A conservative is more likely to call you a commie c***.

Little do they realise that they are all stupid fucking c***s.

Good Day.
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Nope, conservatives call liberals communo-fascists.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
between rana, apple, and christie, a person shouldn't have to work for anything nor ever be worried about their own personal safety because they would have nanny state government walking with them to bandaid their booboos.
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Yeah, that is exactly what we want. The government to wipe our butts, too! More toilet paper, please, Mr. President! Ahahahahaha, you lower yourself to the yurt level of discussion, STY.
 
Rana said:
Yeah, that is exactly what we want. The government to wipe our butts, too! More toilet paper, please, Mr. President! Ahahahahaha, you lower yourself to the yurt level of discussion, STY.
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yurt can be excluded from this, because you can't deny that is exactly what you want.
 
SmarterThanYou said:
between rana, apple, and christie, a person shouldn't have to work for anything nor ever be worried about their own personal safety because they would have nanny state government walking with them to bandaid their booboos.
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That too is bullshit.

Not a one of those people has EVER advocated for cradle to grave nanny state, and if any Rightie were capable of discussing the issue without the ridiculous hyperbole, that would quickly become evident.
 
Alias said:
Nope. When you get an assurance from Dune he will not alter my posts, that is when I will stop. Up to you.
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But you've ALREADY stopped changing posts...what's wrong coward?

Someone get a PM from one of the MODS?

OR...

did that already tiny mind run out of what little juice it had to begin with?
 
ZappasGuitar said:
That too is bullshit.

Not a one of those people has EVER advocated for cradle to grave nanny state, and if any Rightie were capable of discussing the issue without the ridiculous hyperbole, that would quickly become evident.
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maybe you should go back and reread apple and christies posts then before stating that it's bullshit.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
But you've ALREADY stopped changing posts...what's wrong coward?

Someone get a PM from one of the MODS?

OR...

did that already tiny mind run out of what little juice it had to begin with?
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Oh this helps a lot. He freakin stopped. Who cares why. Leave it alone and stick with the topic.
 
ZappasGuitar said:
That too is bullshit.

Not a one of those people has EVER advocated for cradle to grave nanny state, and if any Rightie were capable of discussing the issue without the ridiculous hyperbole, that would quickly become evident.
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Apple certainly has.
 
Crashk said:
Currently in the United States, same-sex couples in long-term, committed relationships pay higher taxes and are denied basic protections and rights granted to married straight couples. Among them:

Hospital visitation. Married couples have the automatic right to visit each other in the hospital and make medical decisions. Same-sex couples can be denied the right to visit a sick or injured loved one in the hospital.
Social Security benefits. Married people receive Social Security payments upon the death of a spouse. Despite paying payroll taxes, gay and lesbian partners receive no Social Security survivor benefits — resulting in an average annual income loss of $5,528 upon the death of a partner.
Immigration. Americans in bi-national relationships are not permitted to petition for their same-sex partners to immigrate. As a result, they are often forced to separate or move to another country.
Health insurance. Many public and private employers provide medical coverage to the spouses of their employees, but most employers do not provide coverage to the life partners of gay and lesbian employees. Gay and lesbian employees who do receive health coverage for their partners must pay federal income taxes on the value of the insurance.
Estate taxes. A married person automatically inherits all the property of his or her deceased spouse without paying estate taxes. A gay or lesbian taxpayer is forced to pay estate taxes on property inherited from a deceased partner.
Family leave. Married workers are legally entitled to unpaid leave from their jobs to care for an ill spouse. Gay and lesbian workers are not entitled to family leave to care for their partners.
Nursing homes. Married couples have a legal right to live together in nursing homes. The rights of elderly gay or lesbian couples are an uneven patchwork of state laws. Home protection. Laws protect married seniors from being forced to sell their homes to pay high nursing home bills; gay and lesbian seniors have no such protection.
Home protection. Laws protect married seniors from being forced to sell their homes to pay high nursing home bills; gay and lesbian seniors have no such protection.
Pensions. After the death of a worker, most pension plans pay survivor benefits only to a legal spouse of the participant. Gay and lesbian partners are excluded from such pension benefits.
http://www.hrc.org/issues/5517.htm

damn you guys are dumb.
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so are straights who live together but are not married......
 
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