Define a 'Liberal' or a 'Conservative'

poet said:
As it applies to what? Marriage? Or boys and girls needing a traditional family unit to develop normally and healthily? Look around...most folks here think you have totally "lost it".
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Appeals to popularity suggest that an idea must be true simply because it is widely held. This is a fallacy because popular opinion can be, and quite often is, mistaken. Hindsight makes this clear: there were times when the majority of the population believed that the Earth is the still centre of the universe, and that diseases are caused by evil spirits; neither of these ideas was true, despite its popularity.
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http://www.logicalfallacies.info/relevance/appeals/appeal-to-popularity/
 
DamnYankee said:
Are you denying that a fundamental tenant of the Christian faith is that souls continue to exist after death? :)
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I believe that they do. But how, and under what conditions, no one can say for sure. You're claiming to know for sure. That makes you full of shit. No one has the proof....least of all, "you".
 
DamnYankee said:
I already showed that this is consistent with Christian teaching.
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It cannot be proved beyond a shadow of a doubt. Talk about illogical fallacies. Teaching doesn't imply truth. Folks have been taught lies and hate. Doesn't equate to truth.
Early America used Christian doctrine to execute and justify slavery. People are famous for distorting scripture. Next?
 
DamnYankee said:
Sorry, but since you've demonstrated a consistent penchant for dismissing documentation, I no longer provide same. Instead I put forth an argument based on logic and reason. In this case, it is logical and reasonable to assert that children are best served, all else being equal, by two parents of the opposite sex.

Explain how this is not logical or reasonable. :)
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So, because you have used questionable sources and been ridiculed for it, you are no longer posting any sources or documentation for your claims? So all your posts are now simply your own opinion.

There have been studies (I have posted numerous links) showing children raised by gay parents are no different. So my claim has peer reviewed research and documentation, while your just has your claim that it is "logical and reasonable". I'd call that an admission of defeat. Or at least as close as SM will allow himself.
 
DamnYankee said:
There are always examples of a single parent, or two gays, raising a child successfully. But the ideal will always be a traditional family. :)
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Perhaps that is your ideal. My ideal is based on what is best for the children, and in that regard gay parents are no different and do just as good a job as straight parents. That is what the research shows.
 
WinterBorn said:
Perhaps that is your ideal. My ideal is based on what is best for the children, and in that regard gay parents are no different and do just as good a job as straight parents. That is what the research shows.
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Show us the "research". Link please.
 
DamnYankee said:
There are many times when my son has done something that my wife did not understand, as well as many times my daughter has done something that I didn't understand. The male and female brains are different, so children of either sex benefit from having both a mother and a father.
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My children have done things I didn't approve of, or even expressly forbid. But they have never done anything I didn't understand.

And despite your insistence that have parents of opposite gender is best, numerous studies show no difference between kids raised by gay parents and kids raised by straight parents. So your claims have no merit.
 
DamnYankee said:
You seem to be going on and on to avoid answering my simple question. Shall I repeat it for you? :)
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Speaking of avoiding a simple question, you seem to be doing that a lot yourself. Shall I ask it again? You claim the state benefits from traditional marriage. What benefits does the state receive from traditional marriage that it would not receive from gay marriage?
 
poet said:
I believe that they do. But how, and under what conditions, no one can say for sure. You're claiming to know for sure. That makes you full of shit. No one has the proof....least of all, "you".
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"Proof" is not the issue- beliefs are. Again, the issue is that you have stated that you believe that souls exist after death, therefore Hitler's soul must exist. You have also stated that you don't believe that there is a hell, therefore you believe that Hitler's soul is not in hell.

If not in hell, where could it possibly be? :)
 
DamnYankee said:
The issue is not if there is a gay brain, but the fact that males and females are different, and you have stated your agreement with that. So, it only stands to reason that children benefit from traditional parents more so than gay parents.
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Repeating your beliefs does not make them facts. The peer-reviewed research shows there is no difference in the children raised by gays or by straights.
 
poet said:
Is that supposed to dismiss the notion that you are batshit crazy, because you found a conditional fallacy which supports your position?
I give a fuck. I refused to be convinced that you aren't the most mentally disturbed forum member. And you have the audacity to cite logical fallacies. Too funny.
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The conditional fallacy show that your argument fails. So you now resort to an ad-hom, which is also your failure. :)
 
DamnYankee said:
Obviously Hitler's soul is not in heaven, but you stated that you don't believe in hell. I'm asking you to explain how your beliefs thus make sense. Where is the logic? :)
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Since you were not there when Hitler died, I think you cannot answer this question with certainty either.
 
poet said:
It cannot be proved beyond a shadow of a doubt. Talk about illogical fallacies. Teaching doesn't imply truth. Folks have been taught lies and hate. Doesn't equate to truth.
Early America used Christian doctrine to execute and justify slavery. People are famous for distorting scripture. Next?
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Again, "proof" is not the issue. Your inconsistency of logic is. :)
 
WinterBorn said:
So you are claiming that you know for certain that Hitler did not repent his sins and accept Jesus into his heart before he died? You know this for a fact???
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Do you have a link to that "research" about gay parents being as good as straight parents?
 
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