Define a 'Liberal' or a 'Conservative'

Alias said:
I never said anything about religious beliefs. I said the definition of marriage in this country has always been a man and a woman. Straw man.

It has nothing to do with civil rights and equality. If that were true, then marriage in this counry has been denying civil rights and equality for over 200 years. Also, over 70% of blacks in California voted against gay marriage. If gay marriage is about civil rights, then why would 70% of black people vote against it?
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In your post you stated "...but has everything to do with the new age progressive agenda of taking down the Judeo/Christian traditional American values."

So its either personal values (which cannot be changed by others) or our laws. If you only meant our personal values then no one can change that. And changing laws to allow gay marriages will not allow that.
 
DamnYankee said:
Again, that's not the point. He's either in heaven or he's in hell. Read the thread before you comment further to avoid looking like a stalker.
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The point is you claim to be certain of his relationship with God all the way to his death.
 
Alias said:
I'll take that as a deflection which means you lose. Thanks.
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As I thought about it I realized I knew approximately where they were in the thread, so it would be easier for me.

I posted the links in post #609. If you had been reading instead of trying to be all snarky with the "I'll take that as a deflection..." you might have noticed.

But do understand, I am not responsible for your inability to research a topic or keep up with a thread.
 
Alias said:
He obviously doesn't have much confidence in his link if he doesn't want to produce it. It's no one's fault that he has no confidence in his own link.
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And here you are still being an asshole, two hours after I decided to be the nice guy and posted the links. Do you not read the posts people put into these threads?
 
poet said:
How do you know he's not in Purgatory? I mean how do you know?
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You stated that you don't believe in hell, and now expect me to believe that you believe in purgatory? Too funny.

Here's reality, according to the Catholic Church:

Those Purified (1030-1032)

Those who die in God's grace but are not yet perfectly purified are guaranteed eternal salvation. They undergo purification after death to gain the holiness needed to enter heaven.

This "Purgatory" (Councils of Florence and Trent) is totally different from the punishment of the damned. It is a cleansing fire. "The person will be saved, but only through fire" (1 Cor 3:15). "As for certain lesser faults, there is a purifying fire" (Pope St. Gregory the Great).

The Church has always prayed for the dead and offered Mass for them. Judas Maccabees "made atonement for the dead that they might be freed from their sins" (1 Macc 12:46). "Let us not hesitate to help those who have died and to offer our prayers for them" (St. John Chrysostom).
Hell - Final Separation from God (1033)

We are united to God only if we freely choose to love him. We cannot love God if we sin gravely against him, our neighbor or ourselves. "He who does not love, remains in death" (1 Jn 3:14). Jesus warns us that we could be separated from him if we fail to help the poor in their serious needs (Mt 25:31-46). To die in unrepented mortal sin separates us from God forever by our own free choice. This self-exclusion from God's presence is called "hell."

Jesus' Teaching (1034)

Jesus spoke of hell. "It is better to lose one of your members than to have your whole body thrown into Gehenna" (Mt 5:29). "Be afraid of the one who can destroy both body and soul in Gehenna" (Mt 10:28). Jesus will send his angels who "will gather all evil doers and throw them into the furnace of fire" (Mt 13:41-42). Jesus will say to some, "Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire" (Mt 25:41).
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http://www.catholicity.com/catechism/purgatory_and_hell.html

The bold text indicates unequivocally states that someone like Hitler is in hell. Along with all the homosexuals, by the way. :)
 
DamnYankee said:
You stated that you don't believe in hell, and now expect me to believe that you believe in purgatory? Too funny.

Here's reality, according to the Catholic Church:

http://www.catholicity.com/catechism/purgatory_and_hell.html

The bold text indicates unequivocally states that someone like Hitler is in hell. Along with all the homosexuals, by the way. :)
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And you know for sure that Hitler died without repenting? How would you know that?
 
DamnYankee said:
LOL What a retard.
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Oh look, another ad hom when you can't debate.

If you have some way of knowing that Hitler did not repent, by all means tell us. But if you are going to continue to argue the point, you need to admit that you do not know for sure whether he is in Heaven or Hell.
 
DamnYankee said:
You stated that you don't believe in hell, and now expect me to believe that you believe in purgatory? Too funny.

Here's reality, according to the Catholic Church:

http://www.catholicity.com/catechism/purgatory_and_hell.html

The bold text indicates unequivocally states that someone like Hitler is in hell. Along with all the homosexuals, by the way. :)
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Here's reality, according to the Catholic Church

Ohhh right. Reality? Church? Listen buddy, you'd better get real. The spirit grand fairy of Bacup has you in his/her sights. You are doomed to spend eternity wandering the cold, wet streets of Guildford where you will be forced to watch believers enjoying their leisure pursuits of corn swoggling, turnip dancing and rummock juggling.
 
DamnYankee said:
You stated that you don't believe in hell, and now expect me to believe that you believe in purgatory? Too funny.

Here's reality, according to the Catholic Church:

http://www.catholicity.com/catechism/purgatory_and_hell.html

The bold text indicates unequivocally states that someone like Hitler is in hell. Along with all the homosexuals, by the way. :)
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You've confused your beliefs with truth, which they are not. You have no way of knowing or proving your claims...so they remain, "just claims". Unsubstantiated, by the way.
 
poet said:
Actually, I do. If you recall, I said I never lie. But since you'd only claim that I "ran and fetched" by posting them, I won't. You'd claim that they were doctored, because your small mind cannot allow for the other side to ever win. And statistics dictate that the other side, inevitably, eventually "wins". You don't know me. You don't know who I am, who I know, what I've done, where I've been, or what I can do. Given that...your incredulity is "ill-conceived". I don't have to prove anything to you. You mean nothing to me. A flea.
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But your lie, about never telling a lie, is of course a lie; so you're only lying to yourself. :)
I mean nothing to you; but yet, you keep responding. :lol:
 
Lowaicue said:
Here's reality, according to the Catholic Church

Ohhh right. Reality? Church? Listen buddy, you'd better get real. The spirit grand fairy of Bacup has you in his/her sights. You are doomed to spend eternity wandering the cold, wet streets of Guildford where you will be forced to watch believers enjoying their leisure pursuits of corn swoggling, turnip dancing and rummock juggling.
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:lol:
 
poet said:
You've confused your beliefs with truth, which they are not. You have no way of knowing or proving your claims...so they remain, "just claims". Unsubstantiated, by the way.
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The reference that I quoted cited the Gospel as its reference. By definition, according to Christian principles, the Gospel is the Truth.

Your beliefs are fucked up. :)
 
DamnYankee said:
The reference that I quoted cited the Gospel as its reference. By definition, according to Christian principles, the Gospel is the Truth.

Your beliefs are fucked up. :)
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The Gospel is accurate. What is questionable is your claim to know whether Hitler repented and accepted salvation at the end of his life. One of the basic tenets of christianity is that anyone is forgiven if the earnestly repent and ask for salvation. If you have some way of knowing Hitler did not do this, please share it with us. Otherwise, admit there is a possibility that Hitler is in Heaven and that you really don't know.
 
WinterBorn said:
The Gospel is accurate. What is questionable is your claim to know whether Hitler repented and accepted salvation at the end of his life. One of the basic tenets of christianity is that anyone is forgiven if the earnestly repent and ask for salvation. If you have some way of knowing Hitler did not do this, please share it with us. Otherwise, admit there is a possibility that Hitler is in Heaven and that you really don't know.
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Hush, truth. He doesn't have to admit anything. We all know, for a fact, that he doesn't possess some supernatural power that would lead him to know, for a fact, how, what, where, why, and when Hitler or anybody else, ended up. It's egotism and arrogance "off the charts". If he knew anything, he'd be the hottest ticket on the talk show circuit. Hands down. A charlatan, is what he is.
 
DamnYankee said:
The reference that I quoted cited the Gospel as its reference. By definition, according to Christian principles, the Gospel is the Truth.

Your beliefs are fucked up. :)
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Right. But it's "you" citing it. Which calls into question any claim you might be making. I don't doubt the validity, of Bible scripture, as a article of faith. What I doubt, wholeheartedly, is your attempt to use scripture to back what can't be known, as "fact". Faith, of course is "the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things unseen".
Nowhere does it say faith guarantees the knowledge of who goes where, and why, moron. You've made yourself "judge and jury"...and you simply can't do that. Nuff said.
And my beliefs may, indeed, be "fucked up"...but much more desirable than one's whole personage being "fucked up". Beliefs and all. Hello?
 
poet said:
Right. But it's "you" citing it. Which calls into question any claim you might be making. I don't doubt the validity, of Bible scripture, as a article of faith. What I doubt, wholeheartedly, is your attempt to use scripture to back what can't be known, as "fact". Faith, of course is "the substance of things hoped for and the evidence of things unseen".
Nowhere does it say faith guarantees the knowledge of who goes where, and why, moron. You've made yourself "judge and jury"...and you simply can't do that. Nuff said.
And my beliefs may, indeed, be "fucked up"...but much more desirable than one's whole personage being "fucked up". Beliefs and all. Hello?
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Wading through your ad homs and genetic fallacies, I arrive back at the original question. In your opinion, where is Hitler if not in hell? :)
 
DamnYankee said:
Wading through your ad homs and genetic fallacies, I arrive back at the original question. In your opinion, where is Hitler if not in hell? :)
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Hitler has returned whence he came. His remains might even have been on your dinner plate ... THAT would explain a lot!
 
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