"Democracy is messy"

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Donald Rumsfeld seems to have originated that exact phrase during an Iraq briefing (and referencing the Iraqi government's progress). Robert F. Kennedy Jr expanded on the phrase with the linked quote below.

We're seeing the mess now with Trump, but we've seen it all of our lives, especially in election years. One thing seems to always be clear: it's never going to be as good as they say, but it's also never going to be as bad.


https://www.vanityfair.com/news/201...-on-the-environment-election-and-donald-trump
Democracy is messy, and it’s hard. It’s never easy. Peter Bahouth, who ran Greenpeace, I asked him one time what it was like running Greenpeace, and he said it’s like being in charge of a million people and the only thing they have in common is that they all hate authority. It’s the same thing with this organization; it’s like herding cats. You have these very tough, turf-conscious, ornery, talented, smart local leaders, who are suspicious and don’t want to be told what to do, and the job of national organization is to try to funnel them all into what is a movement. And so there’s always a tension between the democracy and the effectiveness. That’s why we’ve created governance institutions and mechanisms to manage that tension. I think they’re pretty unique.


https://www.journal-times.com/opini...cle_e5a0d7b2-5f68-11e4-9ab5-c35632bc8cb1.html
Editorial:
“The difference between a democracy and a dictatorship is that in a democracy you vote first and take orders later; in a dictatorship you don't have to waste your time voting.”

That cynical observation came from the late Charles Bukowski, an author described by Time magazine as “the laureate of American lowlife”.

Bukowski liked to say he chronicled the ordinary lives of poor Americans and the drudgery of work.

From another viewpoint, the late Winston Churchill wrote:

“The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.”

Finally, we quote the late Louis L’Amour, the Western novelist and short story writer:

“To make democracy work, we must be a nation of participants, not simply observers. One who does not vote has no right to complain.”

Several individuals take credit for the oft-used quote that “democracy is messy” but we believe it perfectly fits the election of 2014 in certain local and statewide races.

Voters keep telling us they are tired of the finger pointing, fear mongering, and name calling attack ads, all in the name of free elections.

We totally reject Bukowski’s premise that it doesn’t matter if we vote or not.

What Churchill said about uninformed voters still has the ring of truth but in this age of media manipulation it’s more like “misinformed”.

That becomes worse when some voters try to interpret what they think they heard from a particular candidate.

Election propaganda works best when a complicated issue is boiled down to a 30-second sound bite and then played too many times.

Making democracy work gets messy and sometimes the wrong folks get elected but we always have another chance to throw the rascals out of office.

In the end, we like what that old cowpoke Louis L’Amour said about not griping if you don’t vote.
 
Donald Rumsfeld seems to have originated that exact phrase during an Iraq briefing (and referencing the Iraqi government's progress). Robert F. Kennedy Jr expanded on the phrase with the linked quote below.

We're seeing the mess now with Trump, but we've seen it all of our lives, especially in election years. One thing seems to always be clear: it's never going to be as good as they say, but it's also never going to be as bad.


https://www.vanityfair.com/news/201...-on-the-environment-election-and-donald-trump
Democracy is messy, and it’s hard. It’s never easy. Peter Bahouth, who ran Greenpeace, I asked him one time what it was like running Greenpeace, and he said it’s like being in charge of a million people and the only thing they have in common is that they all hate authority. It’s the same thing with this organization; it’s like herding cats. You have these very tough, turf-conscious, ornery, talented, smart local leaders, who are suspicious and don’t want to be told what to do, and the job of national organization is to try to funnel them all into what is a movement. And so there’s always a tension between the democracy and the effectiveness. That’s why we’ve created governance institutions and mechanisms to manage that tension. I think they’re pretty unique.


https://www.journal-times.com/opini...cle_e5a0d7b2-5f68-11e4-9ab5-c35632bc8cb1.html
Editorial:
“The difference between a democracy and a dictatorship is that in a democracy you vote first and take orders later; in a dictatorship you don't have to waste your time voting.”

That cynical observation came from the late Charles Bukowski, an author described by Time magazine as “the laureate of American lowlife”.

Bukowski liked to say he chronicled the ordinary lives of poor Americans and the drudgery of work.

From another viewpoint, the late Winston Churchill wrote:

“The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.”

Finally, we quote the late Louis L’Amour, the Western novelist and short story writer:

“To make democracy work, we must be a nation of participants, not simply observers. One who does not vote has no right to complain.”

Several individuals take credit for the oft-used quote that “democracy is messy” but we believe it perfectly fits the election of 2014 in certain local and statewide races.

Voters keep telling us they are tired of the finger pointing, fear mongering, and name calling attack ads, all in the name of free elections.

We totally reject Bukowski’s premise that it doesn’t matter if we vote or not.

What Churchill said about uninformed voters still has the ring of truth but in this age of media manipulation it’s more like “misinformed”.

That becomes worse when some voters try to interpret what they think they heard from a particular candidate.

Election propaganda works best when a complicated issue is boiled down to a 30-second sound bite and then played too many times.

Making democracy work gets messy and sometimes the wrong folks get elected but we always have another chance to throw the rascals out of office.

In the end, we like what that old cowpoke Louis L’Amour said about not griping if you don’t vote.


but this shit is simple. bad globalist trade deals from corrupt leaders are bad.

closing the entire country in a fit of totalitarian hysteria is bad.

we're not having the new world order. the plan failed. no amount of bullshit will change that.
 
Donald Rumsfeld seems to have originated that exact phrase during an Iraq briefing (and referencing the Iraqi government's progress). Robert F. Kennedy Jr expanded on the phrase with the linked quote below.

We're seeing the mess now with Trump, but we've seen it all of our lives, especially in election years. One thing seems to always be clear: it's never going to be as good as they say, but it's also never going to be as bad.


https://www.vanityfair.com/news/201...-on-the-environment-election-and-donald-trump
Democracy is messy, and it’s hard. It’s never easy. Peter Bahouth, who ran Greenpeace, I asked him one time what it was like running Greenpeace, and he said it’s like being in charge of a million people and the only thing they have in common is that they all hate authority. It’s the same thing with this organization; it’s like herding cats. You have these very tough, turf-conscious, ornery, talented, smart local leaders, who are suspicious and don’t want to be told what to do, and the job of national organization is to try to funnel them all into what is a movement. And so there’s always a tension between the democracy and the effectiveness. That’s why we’ve created governance institutions and mechanisms to manage that tension. I think they’re pretty unique.


https://www.journal-times.com/opini...cle_e5a0d7b2-5f68-11e4-9ab5-c35632bc8cb1.html
Editorial:
“The difference between a democracy and a dictatorship is that in a democracy you vote first and take orders later; in a dictatorship you don't have to waste your time voting.”

That cynical observation came from the late Charles Bukowski, an author described by Time magazine as “the laureate of American lowlife”.

Bukowski liked to say he chronicled the ordinary lives of poor Americans and the drudgery of work.

From another viewpoint, the late Winston Churchill wrote:

“The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.”

Finally, we quote the late Louis L’Amour, the Western novelist and short story writer:

“To make democracy work, we must be a nation of participants, not simply observers. One who does not vote has no right to complain.”

Several individuals take credit for the oft-used quote that “democracy is messy” but we believe it perfectly fits the election of 2014 in certain local and statewide races.

Voters keep telling us they are tired of the finger pointing, fear mongering, and name calling attack ads, all in the name of free elections.

We totally reject Bukowski’s premise that it doesn’t matter if we vote or not.

What Churchill said about uninformed voters still has the ring of truth but in this age of media manipulation it’s more like “misinformed”.

That becomes worse when some voters try to interpret what they think they heard from a particular candidate.

Election propaganda works best when a complicated issue is boiled down to a 30-second sound bite and then played too many times.

Making democracy work gets messy and sometimes the wrong folks get elected but we always have another chance to throw the rascals out of office.

In the end, we like what that old cowpoke Louis L’Amour said about not griping if you don’t vote.


Trump was impeached. Now we're headed to a depression. And his failure of leadership on the coronavirus pandemic is horrifying.
 
Trump was impeached. Now we're headed to a depression. And his failure of leadership on the coronavirus pandemic is horrifying.

Interesting times, eh? Clinton was impeached, Bush watched the banks and home mortgage industry implode, Obama focused on a half-baked healthcare plan instead of the US economic recovery and then we elected a Reality TV show host as President because he was the least deplorable candidate. God Bless America!

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What Obama had was obsessive hatred from the right, which invented a flood of lies about him. That started when he announced his candidacy and continues today in a somewhat muted form. Just about every Trump worshiper still suffers from ODS and believes all of those lies.

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Disagreed. Democracy is messy. The adulation thrown over Obama during his 8 years of presidency is exactly what Trump wants, will never have and it drives him daffy. Still, Democracy is messy. It's not just Trump or Obama, but 100 Senators, 435 Representatives and 9 Justices.
 
Interesting times, eh? Clinton was impeached, Bush watched the banks and home mortgage industry implode, Obama focused on a half-baked healthcare plan instead of the US economic recovery and then we elected a Reality TV show host as President because he was the least deplorable candidate. God Bless America!

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Bush 43 got us into a middle east conflict that was a disaster from day one.

Obama did a pretty good job reviving the economic disaster that was Bush 43.
 
all the central planners are excited about bringing chinese style technocracy to the u.s. it's a full surveillance state with totalitarianism and no dissent allowed. go for it, fools. be dumb if you want.
 
Bush 43 got us into a middle east conflict that was a disaster from day one.

Obama did a pretty good job reviving the economic disaster that was Bush 43.

No, he didn't. He requested and Congress approved....including Ms. Hillary.

Debatable. It was pointed out at the time in 2009 and all through his presidency that he wasted too much time and political capital on his mediocre healthcare act and not on the economy...which delayed the recovery for the entire nation. You know, it's the same thing Trump is being accused of by not reacting to COVID-19 fast enough.
 
Our type of government is the worst type. Except for all of the other types.

With our current level of technology, agreed.

The best the human species can come up with now is a Federal Constitutional Republic fueled by a regulated capitalist economy.
 
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