"Democracy is messy"

Dutch Uncle said:
Donald Rumsfeld seems to have originated that exact phrase during an Iraq briefing (and referencing the Iraqi government's progress). Robert F. Kennedy Jr expanded on the phrase with the linked quote below.

We're seeing the mess now with Trump, but we've seen it all of our lives, especially in election years. One thing seems to always be clear: it's never going to be as good as they say, but it's also never going to be as bad.


https://www.vanityfair.com/news/201...-on-the-environment-election-and-donald-trump
Democracy is messy, and it’s hard. It’s never easy. Peter Bahouth, who ran Greenpeace, I asked him one time what it was like running Greenpeace, and he said it’s like being in charge of a million people and the only thing they have in common is that they all hate authority. It’s the same thing with this organization; it’s like herding cats. You have these very tough, turf-conscious, ornery, talented, smart local leaders, who are suspicious and don’t want to be told what to do, and the job of national organization is to try to funnel them all into what is a movement. And so there’s always a tension between the democracy and the effectiveness. That’s why we’ve created governance institutions and mechanisms to manage that tension. I think they’re pretty unique.


https://www.journal-times.com/opini...cle_e5a0d7b2-5f68-11e4-9ab5-c35632bc8cb1.html
Editorial:
“The difference between a democracy and a dictatorship is that in a democracy you vote first and take orders later; in a dictatorship you don't have to waste your time voting.”

That cynical observation came from the late Charles Bukowski, an author described by Time magazine as “the laureate of American lowlife”.

Bukowski liked to say he chronicled the ordinary lives of poor Americans and the drudgery of work.

From another viewpoint, the late Winston Churchill wrote:

“The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average voter.”

Finally, we quote the late Louis L’Amour, the Western novelist and short story writer:

“To make democracy work, we must be a nation of participants, not simply observers. One who does not vote has no right to complain.”

Several individuals take credit for the oft-used quote that “democracy is messy” but we believe it perfectly fits the election of 2014 in certain local and statewide races.

Voters keep telling us they are tired of the finger pointing, fear mongering, and name calling attack ads, all in the name of free elections.

We totally reject Bukowski’s premise that it doesn’t matter if we vote or not.

What Churchill said about uninformed voters still has the ring of truth but in this age of media manipulation it’s more like “misinformed”.

That becomes worse when some voters try to interpret what they think they heard from a particular candidate.

Election propaganda works best when a complicated issue is boiled down to a 30-second sound bite and then played too many times.

Making democracy work gets messy and sometimes the wrong folks get elected but we always have another chance to throw the rascals out of office.

In the end, we like what that old cowpoke Louis L’Amour said about not griping if you don’t vote.
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The only reason we're "seeing the mess now with Trump" is because libs have lost their minds.
 
countryboy said:
The only reason we're "seeing the mess now with Trump" is because libs have lost their minds.
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IMO, both sides have done so and have been doing so for over 25 years. We lost our way with Clinton and it's been going downhill ever since.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Donald Rumsfeld seems to have originated that exact phrase during an Iraq briefing (and referencing the Iraqi government's progress). Robert F. Kennedy Jr expanded on the phrase with the linked quote below.
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The quote originates from Winston Churchill; "Democracy is the worst form of government, except for all the others."

Dutch Uncle said:
We're seeing the mess now with Trump, but we've seen it all of our lives, especially in election years. One thing seems to always be clear: it's never going to be as good as they say, but it's also never going to be as bad.
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How is Trump the cause of what is happening now? How come you leftist hacks refuse to blame the real culprits; the W.H.O. and China?

What has become clear is that the media is no longer pretending to be unbiased and impartial. They have become the PRAVDA of the DNC. What is also clear is that the Party of the Jackass lacks any direction or offers anything to the American people except that Trump is a bad man because they say so. They have nominated a geriatric loser with dementia as the best the party has to offer. And with that, will lose the next election by an even wider margin.

We lived through the mess called Obamunsim. We will get through this one. But unfortunately, not with the help of the PHONY media and the Party of the Jackass. Both of which refuse to accept the results from the last election and continue to try to make a mockery of our institutions to this day.
 
jacksonsprat22 said:
Trump was impeached.
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For doing nothing more than his job. He was exonerated by the Senate. While the morons in the Party of the Jackass were busy trying to convict Trump, the virus was already here. Yet you don't blame the Party of the Jackass for anything; why? Because you are a low IQ partisan hack.

jacksonsprat22 said:
Now we're headed to a depression.
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You can thank the Democratic Governors, the W.H.O. and the Chinese for that. I hope these blue state morons enjoy the fact they they will be laying off thousands of Government workers because of the massive loss of tax revenue that has resulted from their misplaced hysteria.

The Orange man is bad game is going to bite them hard in their dumb asses. I hope it wakes up the American public and the vote out these dumbasses.

jacksonsprat22 said:
And his failure of leadership on the coronavirus pandemic is horrifying.
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How has he failed? What could he have done better? Once again you are mindlessly parroting the lame, dumb, lie filled narratives of the PHONY media without doing any thinking of your own.
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Interesting times, eh? Clinton was impeached,
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Yet you were okay with Trump's impeachment. Got hypocrite? At least Clinton had actually committed crimes. Trump, not so much.

jacksonsprat22 said:
Bush watched the banks and home mortgage industry implode,
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Wrong; Bush watched the Democrats in Congress sit on their hands allowing it to occur thanks to their race hustling agenda.

Watch as Democrats attack the regulator and race hustle in the hearings in 2004 trying to get a handle on the impending crisis; yes the DEMOCRATS are the reason nothing was done folks:
Fannie Mae/Freddie Mac Hearings 2004

jacksonsprat22 said:
Obama focused on a half-baked healthcare plan instead of the US economic recovery and then we elected a Reality TV show host as President because he was the least deplorable candidate. God Bless America!
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Yet, you will be voting for a geriatric dolt with dementia. :rolleyes:
 
Dutch Uncle said:
Disagreed. Democracy is messy. The adulation thrown over Obama during his 8 years of presidency is exactly what Trump wants, will never have and it drives him daffy. Still, Democracy is messy. It's not just Trump or Obama, but 100 Senators, 435 Representatives and 9 Justices.
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....all elected, for the most part, by the people. I hope Trump's re-election forces you to relocate to some Socialist utopia. I hear Cuba is awesome. Venezuela, not so much.
 
Tacomaman said:
Bush 43 got us into a middle east conflict that was a disaster from day one.
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LIE and LAME. Why is it that losers on the left never blame the despots, dictators and tyrants who actually start wars?

Bush had a LOT of help from Democrats who said the exact same things he and his administration were.

Tacomaman said:
Obama did a pretty good job reviving the economic disaster that was Bush 43.
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Wrong; he did a pretty shitty job as most have come to understand. You're such a simple minded fool you couldn't comprehend the obvious if is slapped your low IQ head.

#idiot
 
Dutch Uncle said:
With our current level of technology, agreed.

The best the human species can come up with now is a Federal Constitutional Republic fueled by a regulated capitalist economy.
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What would be better? The founders had it right. I wish the Fascistic left would comprehend it. It's about LIBERTY and LIMITING central authority; not empowering and growing it.
 
jacksonsprat22 said:
Good to know, thanks.
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Yes, please seek help next year when Dem govs reopen their economies, IF there are any shrinks left by then. If not, maybe pick up a self-help book from your library, if they are still open. If not, keep praying to Satan, maybe he'll eventually help you.
 
countryboy said:
Yes, please seek help next year when Dem govs reopen their economies, IF there are any shrinks left by then. If not, maybe pick up a self-help book from your library, if they are still open. If not, keep praying to Satan, maybe he'll eventually help you.
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Get lost, moron.
 
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