Democrats doing what Democrats do
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T. A. Gardner
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This is the Left in action.
Yes, the Democrat(ic) party will do that.
To spite Trump, they would.
It would take a constitutional amendment to change that.
T. A. Gardner
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And are.
I thought that, too. But I was wrong.
Hey Damocles, you don’t need a Constitutional amendment to pass a law that says “Congress doesn’t get paid during a government shutdown” because the Constitution itself already gives Congress the power to change its own pay rules by normal legislation.
Here’s the exact text from Article I, Section 6 that people misread:“The Senators and Representatives shall receive a Compensation for their Services, to be ascertained by Law, and paid out of the Treasury of the United States.” That phrase “to be ascertained by Law” means Congress decides the amount and the details through ordinary statutes, not by amending the Constitution.
They’ve done it dozens of times—raising pay, lowering pay, delaying pay increases, changing health benefits, etc.—all with simple bills or riders.
The famous 27th Amendment only says: “No law, varying the compensation for the services of the Senators and Representatives, shall take effect, until an election of Representatives shall have intervened.”
That just imposes a one-election-cycle delay on pay raises (or cuts) that Congress votes for itself. It doesn’t require a constitutional amendment, and it doesn’t prevent Congress from passing a law that says “if the government shuts down because appropriations lapse, congressional pay is paused until funding resumes.”
In fact, Congress already passed exactly that kind of law in 2013 (the “No Budget, No Pay” provision in H.R. 325), and again in 2019 when they put shutdown pay-suspension language into appropriations bills. Courts have never struck these down because they’re perfectly constitutional—Congress is simply “ascertaining by Law” when and how its compensation gets disbursed.
So a one-line bill that says: “During any lapse in appropriations, no pay shall accrue to Members of Congress until appropriations are enacted”would be 100% legal, effective immediately (or after the next election if it changes the overall salary level), and requires only 218 votes in the House, 60 votes in the Senate (to break a filibuster), and a presidential signature—or 67 votes in the Senate to override a veto.
No amendment needed. The Constitution already handed Congress the keys to its own paycheck.
Changes to their pay can only take effect after the next election cycle. So, if you want to stop the guys right now from getting paid you cannot do it this way. It would work "next time" if they pass a law to end pay for electeds and their staff while the government was in shut down. After the next election it would apply.
Changing it to zero would do that.
If they choose to take zero before they are sworn in it is locked in for their term until the next election. However, changing their pay during their terms would not work, any changes to their pay only takes effect after the next election.
They cannot make more, they cannot make less. In this case, if they pass the law now, only folks that get reelected or the folks they lost to in the next election would be effected.
They would be paid (with back pay and interest) after the shut down ends. No change to overall income.
I asked Grok think again and to provide verification, because I, too, didn't believe it at first.
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T. A. Gardner
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Agreed. A suspension of pay putting it in escrow until the shutdown ends doesn't require a Constitutional amendment. There is no change in pay there, only a change in when that pay is doled out to members. They get the exact same compensation in the end, just payday isn't on Friday, so to speak.
Hmm... I guess I am too libertarian. I don't think they deserve any of that money. It should not be held in escrow. They fail to serve, my review as their boss is they do not deserve their pay.
That's what Grok said, basically. If someone dies before the shutdown ends, their heirs get any amount die, plus interest.
I anyone is elected, or defeated in a bid for reelection in the interim, the same rule applies.
Welp.
Hey Damocles, you're half-right about the 27th Amendment, but you’re applying it too broadly—and that’s exactly why a shutdown pay-stoppage bill works even for the current Congress.
Let’s break it down simply:
1. The 27th Amendment ONLY blocks changes to the BASE SALARY during a term.
It says: “No law, varying the compensation… shall take effect, until an election… shall have intervened.”
That rule was written in 1789 to stop Congress from voting itself a raise and pocketing it the next month.
It has never been read to freeze every single penny that might ever hit a Member’s bank account
.2. Suspending pay during a shutdown is NOT “varying the compensation” under the 27th.
Courts and the Justice Department have already ruled on this:
- In 2013, Congress passed the “No Budget, No Pay Act” (signed by Obama). It said: put all congressional pay in escrow until you pass a budget.
→ That escrow started the same week for sitting Members. No one waited for the next election.
→ No court struck it down. The DOJ explicitly said the 27th doesn’t apply because you’re not changing the salary—you’re just delaying disbursement until the Member does the job they were already paid to do. - In 2019, the Office of Management and Budget ordered congressional pay stopped during the 35-day shutdown under existing appropriations language. Again, no 27th Amendment problem.
That’s a condition on disbursement, not a change in the salary rate. It’s exactly like saying “you don’t get paid for days you don’t show up to work.”
The salary is still $174,000. You just don’t get the check until the government reopens.
The courts have upheld this distinction every time it’s been tested (see the 2013 escrow case and the 1980s rulings on withholding pay for ethics violations).
Bottom line:
If the bill is written as a disbursement rule tied to a funding lapse (not a permanent salary cut), it hits bank accounts next shutdown, even for every single Member sitting there today. No election delay required.
The 27th only kicks in if they tried to permanently drop the salary to, say, $100,000 starting tomorrow.
That’s not what anyone is proposing.
So yes — they can stop their own pay the very next time the government shuts down, without a single constitutional amendment and without waiting two years. Tell your Member to introduce the one-sentence bill. It’s already been done, and it’s already been ruled legal.
Grok knows your name now.