Democrats Falsely Claim Jesus was a Socialist

kudzu said:
"Hail to thee, great God, Lord of the Two Truths. I have come unto thee, my Lord, that thou mayest bring me to see thy beauty. I know thee, I know thy name, I know the names of the 42 Gods who are with thee in this broad hall of the Two Truths . . . Behold, I am come unto thee. I have brought thee truth; I have done away with sin for thee. I have not sinned against anyone. I have not mistreated people. I have not done evil instead of righteousness . . .
I have not reviled the God.
I have not laid violent hands on an orphan.
I have not done what the God abominates . . .
I have not killed; I have not turned anyone over to a killer.
I have not caused anyone's suffering . . .
I have not copulated (illicitly); I have not been unchaste.
I have not increased nor diminished the measure, I have not diminished the palm; I have not encroached upon the fields.
I have not added to the balance weights; I have not tempered with the plumb bob of the balance.
I have not taken milk from a child's mouth; I have not driven small cattle from their herbage...
I have not stopped (the flow of) water in its seasons; I have not built a dam against flowing water.
I have not quenched a fire in its time . . .
I have not kept cattle away from the God's property.
I have not blocked the God at his processions.
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can you provide a link to that, because I'm not actually finding that in the actual text of the book of the dead.....
https://www.holybooks.com/wp-content/uploads/Egyptian-Book-of-the-Dead.pdf

did you get it from Bruce over at Religious Tolerance?.....
 
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PostmodernProphet said:
can you provide a link to that, because I'm not actually finding that in the actual text of the book of the dead.....
https://www.holybooks.com/wp-content/uploads/Egyptian-Book-of-the-Dead.pdf

did you get it from Bruce over at Religious Tolerance?.....
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http://people.virginia.edu/~bec/historycourse/egyptian book of the dead, chapter 125.htm

Moses was supposedly raised in an Egyptian household, so it wouldn't be surprising if he learned about the Egyptian Book of the Dead. The Hebrews also borrowed circumcision from the Egyptians.
 
kudzu said:
http://people.virginia.edu/~bec/historycourse/egyptian book of the dead, chapter 125.htm

Moses was supposedly raised in an Egyptian household, so it wouldn't be surprising if he learned about the Egyptian Book of the Dead. The Hebrews also borrowed circumcision from the Egyptians.
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yeah, you know, I used the find feature on my browser and I'm just not finding it.......maybe you'll have better luck......here's the full text of the Book of the Dead......
https://archive.org/stream/egyptianbookofde00reno/egyptianbookofde00reno_djvu.txt
 
meanwhile can you find me the other eight besides murder and theft?....
like You shall have no other gods, no idols, no taking my name in vain, sabbath, mom and dad, coveting.......you know the routine, right?.....

and there's the underlying problem that God did not give the Ten Commandments to Israel to give them access to a ferry crossing a river........specifically he said he was giving them the Ten Commandments as a message to the rest of the world......it was the Pharisees and Sadducees who said it was the path to righteousness.......
 
kudzu said:
Actually, Jesus was political, stretch. The Roman occupation and their oppressive laws were the burning issues of Jesus time on earth.

His Sermon on the Mount addresses how to cope with those oppressive laws and shame the enemy... i.e. Turn the other cheek..
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Christ did not come into the world with a political agenda. Period.
 
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Actually, Jesus was political, stretch. The Roman occupation and their oppressive laws were the burning issues of Jesus time on earth.

His Sermon on the Mount addresses how to cope with those oppressive laws and shame the enemy... i.e. Turn the other cheek..
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gosh, you completely missed the sermon I see.....
 
Stretch said:
Christ did not come into the world with a political agenda. Period.
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Jesus was an observant Jew and he didn't live in a vacuumn.. Read Sermon on the Mount.. He is teaching the people non violent resistance to Roman oppression.
 
kudzu said:
You must not know anything about Roman laws in Palestine .....
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I know they are irrelevant to the Sermon on the Mount, which was directed at the abuse of the law by the Pharisees.......you will note it was they, not the Romans, who decided to kill him after the Sermon.....they knew who it was directed to even though you do not.......
 
kudzu said:
Jesus was an observant Jew and he didn't live in a vacuumn.. Read Sermon on the Mount.. He is teaching the people non violent resistance to Roman oppression.
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Nooooooooooooo, nothing about resistence. He taught to comply with laws, participate in the census, pay our taxes, etc.

THE SERMON ON THE MOUNT

5 Seeing the crowds, he went up on the mountain, and when he sat down, his disciples came to him.
The Beatitudes

2 And he opened his mouth and taught them, saying:

3 “Blessed are the poor in spirit, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

4 “Blessed are those who mourn, for they shall be comforted.

5 “Blessed are the meek, for they shall inherit the earth.

6 “Blessed are those who hunger and thirst for righteousness, for they shall be satisfied.

7 “Blessed are the merciful, for they shall receive mercy.

8 “Blessed are the pure in heart, for they shall see God.

9 “Blessed are the peacemakers, for they shall be called sons[a] of God.

10 “Blessed are those who are persecuted for righteousness' sake, for theirs is the kingdom of heaven.

11 “Blessed are you when others revile you and persecute you and utter all kinds of evil against you falsely on my account. 12 Rejoice and be glad, for your reward is great in heaven, for so they persecuted the prophets who were before you.

Mat 5:1-11
 
PostmodernProphet said:
I know they are irrelevant to the Sermon on the Mount, which was directed at the abuse of the law by the Pharisees.......you will note it was they, not the Romans, who decided to kill him after the Sermon.....they knew who it was directed to even though you do not.......
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I suspected you didn't know.

"If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles" (Matthew 5:41).

Jesus was clearly referring to a particular Roman law that allowed any Roman soldier to stop a Jew on the road and compel him or her to drop what they were carrying in order to assist the Roman soldier in bearing his load.

A Roman soldier could strike a Jew or take his cloak..
 
kudzu said:
I suspected you didn't know.

"If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles" (Matthew 5:41).

Jesus was clearly referring to a particular Roman law that allowed any Roman soldier to stop a Jew on the road and compel him or her to drop what they were carrying in order to assist the Roman soldier in bearing his load.

A Roman soldier could strike a Jew or take his cloak..
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more atheist bullshit.......meanwhile, back to our earlier argument that proved you know nothing about the scriptures, have you found a reference to the sabbath day from the book of the dead yet?......
 
kudzu said:
I suspected you didn't know.

"If anyone forces you to go one mile, go with them two miles" (Matthew 5:41).

Jesus was clearly referring to a particular Roman law that allowed any Roman soldier to stop a Jew on the road and compel him or her to drop what they were carrying in order to assist the Roman soldier in bearing his load.

A Roman soldier could strike a Jew or take his cloak..
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So? It's the opposite of resisting.
 
Jesus' teachings on nonviolent resistance: "You have heard, 'An eye for an eye and a tooth for a tooth,' but I say, Offer no violent resistance to one who does evil."

Jesus advocates a brand new way of life: nonviolent resistance to oppression and imperial domination.

The goal is to lead the opponent to a change of heart, to melt his heart, win him over to the truth, stop the violence, and help others discover God's reign of love and peace. Like every good teacher, Jesus does not leave us just with the theory. He gives five concrete examples about how to do this.


First, "when someone strikes you on your right cheek, turn the other one to him as well." A right-handed blow in a right-handed world would land on the left cheek! (To strike the right cheek with a fist would require the left hand, but the left hand was only used for unclean work; you could be punished for using your left hand.)

So the only way to strike someone's right cheek with your right hand would have been with the back of the hand, which means Jesus is describing an insult not a fistfight. He's talking about the violent humiliation of a slaveowner or Roman soldier toward the oppressed people of Galilee, an unequal relationship in which violent retaliation would invite retribution.

Turning the other cheek in the face of such humiliation would stop the oppres He is teachibg to assert one's dignity, equality and humanity.

"I deny you the power to humiliate me. I am a human being just like you."
 
If anyone wants to go to law with you over your tunic," Jesus says next, "hand him your cloak as well."

In Jesus' time, as in ours, the poor were forever in debt.

People wore outer and inner garments, they were hauled into court and sued even for the clothes off their back. Only the poorest, those Jesus addressed, would have nothing but an outer garment to give as a loan. So when they demand your outer garment, he says, give them your inner garment as well.


But if a poor person was sued in court for his outer garment, and gave away his inner garment too, he would find himself naked before the court, which was not only taboo in Judaism, but criminal. But not for the poor person! In those days, it was illegal to look upon a naked person.
 
In a related story Democrats claim bugs bunny, santa and the tooth fairy are all communists. Who gives a flying fuck.
 
"Should anyone press you into service for one mile," Jesus says again, "go with him two miles." Roman soldiers forced the poor to carry their heavy packs for them. By law, however, the soldiers were not permitted to force the poor to walk more than one mile with their packs.

"Give to the one who asks of you," he says next. Instead of making money and hoarding it, he overturns capitalism and teaches us to give to those in need, and as Luke's later explains, without asking for anything in return. Be generous, selfless givers.
 
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