Democrats smell a rout

Althea said:
Save for the fact that the donations on both sides of this election could go to real charities in these tough times?
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I know and that is one of the biggest things that I loathe about how we select leaders in this country. Thanks for pointing that out.
 
Althea said:
They may have hated the ACA at the time due to Republican propaganda, but they love it now. If Republicans didn't defund it in '12, it would be the foundation for the best health insurance program in history. In their quest to make Obama a one term POTUS, they actively worked to destroy the nation. The Teabag movement was born out of overt racism. They wanted the slave out of the White House. Don't kid yourself about why the mid terms went the way they did.
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Actually, it was hated then because the rollout was a disaster, Obama lied repeatedly about "If you like your health insurance you can keep it..." etc., and the fact that both choice and quality of plans plummeted.
It wasn't "the best health insurance plan in history" but rather a mediocre plan who's only real success was putting more people on Medicaid.

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For those who had individual health care, rather than an employer plan, they got royally screwed.

Obamacare itself was a disaster. The tax penalty was hated by virtually everyone. The new taxes supposed to pay for the plan in big part failed to deliver. All the top tier health insurers bailed on Obamacare leaving the field of providers to crappy second and third tier companies. Since one thing in the law was that 18 to 26 year-olds could remain on their parent's insurance plans (mostly employer ones), half the most lucrative pool of young healthy people required to prop up the sick and elderly on Obamacare were taken out of the picture. The whole thing was and is a mess.


LMAO. Yes. Like that tax giveaway that Republicans crafted with the help of Democrats. Half of the ACA was straight out of the Right's playbook. They couldn't take 'yes' for an answer.
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Not one Republican voted for Obamacare. The Republicans weren't even included in the crafting of the legislation. The Democrats did it in secret committee meetings and locked the Republicans out. When they realized they really kind of needed the Republicans to buy in at least a little Obama met with the head Republicans from Congress--finally after months of ignoring them--thinking he could brow beat them as 'the smartest man in the room' and got his ass handed to him in the conference meeting at the White House where guys like Paul Ryan was spewing factual evidence so fast Obama didn't have a clue what was happening.

The ACA is purely a Democrat FU.
 
T. A. Gardner said:
Actually, it was hated then because the rollout was a disaster, Obama lied repeatedly about "If you like your health insurance you can keep it..." etc., and the fact that both choice and quality of plans plummeted.
It wasn't "the best health insurance plan in history" but rather a mediocre plan who's only real success was putting more people on Medicaid.

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For those who had individual health care, rather than an employer plan, they got royally screwed.

Obamacare itself was a disaster. The tax penalty was hated by virtually everyone. The new taxes supposed to pay for the plan in big part failed to deliver. All the top tier health insurers bailed on Obamacare leaving the field of providers to crappy second and third tier companies. Since one thing in the law was that 18 to 26 year-olds could remain on their parent's insurance plans (mostly employer ones), half the most lucrative pool of young healthy people required to prop up the sick and elderly on Obamacare were taken out of the picture. The whole thing was and is a mess.




Not one Republican voted for Obamacare. The Republicans weren't even included in the crafting of the legislation. The Democrats did it in secret committee meetings and locked the Republicans out. When they realized they really kind of needed the Republicans to buy in at least a little Obama met with the head Republicans from Congress--finally after months of ignoring them--thinking he could brow beat them as 'the smartest man in the room' and got his ass handed to him in the conference meeting at the White House where guys like Paul Ryan was spewing factual evidence so fast Obama didn't have a clue what was happening.

The ACA is purely a Democrat FU.
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The roll out was a disaster because 60% of the governors refused to set up an exchange. Insurance companies just won in the Supreme Court. They are owed countless millions of dollars that they were promised. When Republicans de funded the risk corridor program, rates went up...as planned by Republicans.

The ACA was never allowed to function as designed, due to obstructionism and de funding. Republicans refused to come to the table. They weren't locked out.

You can try to revise history all you want. I kept my doctor, and had the best coverage of my life until insurers were either put out of business, or simply left the exchanges.

[FONT=&quot]It was a nice nod in the direction of bipartisanship. But it also perpetuates a deceptive narrative, repeated often by Republicans, that they were completely excluded from the process that resulted in Obamacare. While it is true that [/FONT]no Republican[FONT=&quot] voted for the [/FONT]final bill[FONT=&quot], it is blatantly untrue that it contains no GOP DNA. In fact, to make such an assertion is like researching your ancestry and going no further back than your mother and father.



[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Not only were Republican senators deeply involved in the process up until its conclusion, but it's a cinch that the ACA might have become law months earlier if the Democrats, hoping for a bipartisan bill, hadn't spent enormous time and effort wooing GOP senators — only to find themselves gulled by false promises of cooperation. And unlike Majority Leader Mitch McConnell's semi-secret proceedings that involved only a handful of trusted colleagues, Obamacare, until the very end of the process, was open to public scrutiny.[/FONT]
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Hello floridafan,

floridafan said:
Donald Trump’s collapsing poll numbers have Democrats thinking bigger than just winning the White House and seizing the Senate — they’re imagining a rout that extends all the way down the ballot.

Intent on not repeating the mistakes of 2010 under then-President Barack Obama, the party is seizing on a once-in-a-decade opportunity to drive the redistricting process — and reverse the built-in advantage Republicans amassed over House district lines after the last census.

it would correct an Obama-era down-ballot shellacking that handed Republicans House control and resulted in the loss of more than 900 Democratic legislative seats.

The devastating results for Democrats in 2010 — part of a multi-million dollar effort by Republicans and Karl Rove to zero in on winning governor’s offices and battleground statehouses — gave the GOP total control in 19 states and allowed them to draw 213 congressional districts.

The new maps were a disaster for Democrats and spawned a bevy of groups and fundraising efforts intent on preventing a repeat in 2020. Most notably, Obama and former Attorney General Eric Holder created the National Democratic Redistricting Committee, a centralized redistricting hub on the Democratic side “to make sure that what the Republicans did last time was not possible again,” said John Bisognano, the NDRC’s executive director. “We weren’t going to get caught off guard again.”

But the opportunity in November is even more profound, Democrats say. It represents not only a once-every-20-years occurrence when reapportionment falls in a presidential year, but perhaps a once in a lifetime opportunity when an incumbent president appears so weak.
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/06/democrats-trump-rout-redistricting-349053
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T. A. Gardner said:
Got news for you. The defeat the Democrats suffered in the 2010 mid-terms was a direct result of their using their numbers in Congress and holding the Presidency to push through single-party, non-bipartisan, legislation and actions that the public hated. The problem with the Democrat party still exists and if anything, has gotten worse. As the Democrats become a party of the Left and increasingly refuse to work in a bipartisan fashion with Republicans even when they win an election their victory will be short-lived.
Most people won't put up with the Leftist agenda shoved down their throats. The only way the Left has historically been able to gain and retain power is through a dictatorship or sustained massive voter fraud.

What the redistricting plan shown above does is try to impose rigged elections on a national scale using redistricting far in excess of what Republicans have done. Not unexpected from the Left. Nor is pushing for voting rules and systems that allow massive fraud to occur. It doesn't have to have occurred, so much as there be a system in place to allow it down the road.
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The problem during the Obama administration was the GOP's complete and mindless opposition to anything that Obama proposed. The GOP has been cheating in elections for decades. They are the masters of gerrymandering. We desperately need a constitutional amendment that would mandate that districts be drawn using the shortest splitline algorithm. Draw districts based upon population and not on political standing.

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rjhenn said:
The problem during the Obama administration was the GOP's complete and mindless opposition to anything that Obama proposed. The GOP has been cheating in elections for decades. They are the masters of gerrymandering. We desperately need a constitutional amendment that would mandate that districts be drawn using the shortest splitline algorithm. Draw districts based upon population and not on political standing.

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ANOTHER post FAIL, rj, ANOTHER post FAIL.:| :| :|
 
rjhenn said:
The problem during the Obama administration was the GOP's complete and mindless opposition to anything that Obama proposed. The GOP has been cheating in elections for decades. They are the masters of gerrymandering. We desperately need a constitutional amendment that would mandate that districts be drawn using the shortest splitline algorithm. Draw districts based upon population and not on political standing.
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If you look it up, the Democrats shut the Republicans out of everything for the first two years. It took Obama months to meet with any of the Republican leadership in Congress and then all he did was piss them off by saying "I won. Get over it."
Then when the Democrats thought they might need a few Republicans onboard with Obamacare he called them to the White House to brow beat them and got his ass handed to him by policy wonks. He wasn't happy they didn't think he was the smartest guy in the room.

I agree with you on redistricting. It would also end the racist, bigoted practice of "minority" majority districts as well.
 
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