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Southern Man said:
Except of course that it doesn't produce enough energy to pay itself off.
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???? That shows your lack of knowledge on the advancements in solar. Right now the payoff for larger commercial properties is about a year. For residential it is still about 15-20 years. But either way, it most certainly DOES pay for itself.
 
Superfreak said:
???? That shows your lack of knowledge on the advancements in solar. Right now the payoff for larger commercial properties is about a year. For residential it is still about 15-20 years. But either way, it most certainly DOES pay for itself.
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Yeah especially in remote locations.

I have solar lights in my barn. 2 solar electric fence chargers.

Now what would it cost me to run electrical wiring to them for conventional power?
 
Superfreak said:
???? That shows your lack of knowledge on the advancements in solar. Right now the payoff for larger commercial properties is about a year. For residential it is still about 15-20 years. But either way, it most certainly DOES pay for itself.
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i disagree. i think within 5 years it will be a 2-3year payback in some areas of the country to install solar to power a house.
 
Superfreak said:
???? That shows your lack of knowledge on the advancements in solar. Right now the payoff for larger commercial properties is about a year. For residential it is still about 15-20 years. But either way, it most certainly DOES pay for itself.
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Now its your turn to provide a link.
 
uscitizen said:
Yeah especially in remote locations.

I have solar lights in my barn. 2 solar electric fence chargers.

Now what would it cost me to run electrical wiring to them for conventional power?
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Remote locations is of course the only time when solar is cost-effective. The same delivery issues which make grid power impractical for your fence are multiplied on a giant scale to make solar (generated in the desert US) to supply power for cities (located along the coasts).
 
Southern Man said:
That's been said for the last 50 years. Its bull.
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Show me that it 'is bull'....

Just saying so, doesn't make it true. Also, show us where that has been said for 50 years. Now your just pulling shit out of your ass because you were shown to be wrong. All the while, we are still waiting on you to provide a source that talke about nuclear waste being reduced by 95%. Still waiting...
 
Chapdog said:
Some of the Chinese ones are predicting to go to .25cents a watt in a couple years.
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yes, I have seen that.... but you still haven't shown me what exactly you disagreed with on my post.... so I am naturally confused as to why you said you disagreed.
 
Superfreak said:
http://www.intelligentenergysolutions.com/2008/01/what-are-solar-photovoltaic-pv-panels.html

Note... you still have not provided a link that show 95% reduction in waste.
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From your link:
With regard to financial payback the calculation becomes more complex, let's assume the following:-

- Electricity prices continues to rise as they have over recent years.

- The system adds 50% of it's installation cost to your homes value.

- You take a rebate from the electricity company for exporting spare electricity
Given these, not unreasonable, assumptions, a system could payback within 12 years.
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In other words, if you can get someone else to help defray the cost and the greenies continue to force the cost of power to rise then it will only take 12 years to pay for itself, under the best case scenario estimated by an industry lobby group. And if you ignore the cost of battery replacement and power switching.

From my link:
Recycling plutonium, uranium, and other actinides as fuel for breeder reactors, closing the nuclear fuel cycle and extending the energy extractable per original unit of uranium by a factor of more than 60.
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1- 1/60 = 98% reduction.
 
Southern Man said:
From your link: In other words, if you can get someone else to help defray the cost and the greenies continue to force the cost of power to rise then it will only take 12 years to pay for itself, under the best case scenario estimated by an industry lobby group. And if you ignore the cost of battery replacement and power switching.

From my link:

1- 1/60 = 98% reduction.
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What do you mean by defraying the costs? The rebate is for EXCESS power produced by the panels that is not needed for the home.

"greenies" aren't causing energy prices to rise. DEMAND is doing so. As the world population grows and countries like China and India (etc...) continue to develop, demand for energy goes up.... the prices follow.
 
Superfreak will never accept anything good about nukes. he's to committed to THE BIG LIE. The green lie is the next planned wallstreet bubble. The people will get screwed when this one pops as well, but this time we will have no viable energy solution, and oil will be more cronyized than ever.
 
AssHatZombie said:
Superfreak will never accept anything good about nukes. he's to committed to THE BIG LIE. The green lie is the next planned wallstreet bubble. The people will get screwed when this one pops as well, but this time we will have no viable energy solution, and oil will be more cronyized than ever.
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LMAO... I said specifically that I was unaware of what he was talking about and that I was interested in reading more on it. To you that is a a refusal to learn anything good about it? Even after I specifically stated that my objection to nuclear was the waste component?

Try pulling your head out of your ass. You will find the air much fresher.
 
From my link:
Quote:
Recycling plutonium, uranium, and other actinides as fuel for breeder reactors, closing the nuclear fuel cycle and extending the energy extractable per original unit of uranium by a factor of more than 60.

1- 1/60 = 98% reduction"

you need to spell that out for me, because I am not following your math. Saying that the energy extractable is extended by a factor of 60... translates how exactly to waste is reduced by 95%????
 
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